• Register
  • Login
  •          

    Chapter 24

    Image
      ʙᴏᴏᴋ sɪx ɪɴ ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴜɴᴇ ᴄʜʀᴏɴɪᴄʟᴇꜱ

    Moderators: Omphalos, Freakzilla, ᴶᵛᵀᴬ

    Chapter 24

    Postby Freakzilla » 08 Mar 2008 20:36

    A major concept guides the Missionaria Protectiva: Purposeful instruction of
    the masses. This is firmly seated in our belief that the aim of argument should
    be to change the nature of truth. In such matters, we prefer the use of power
    rather than force.

    -The Coda

    To Duncan, life on the no-ship had become a game and Teg's addition was a deceptive move. He notes the similarities between his own ghola education and Teg's. He's learned to be even more evasive with Sheeana's help. The enormous size of the no-ship gives some illusion of freedom. He thinks the cost to bring the no-ship down to the planet surface is to high to be justified by keeping three people captive, maybe it's a lab to find a way to nullify a no-field's invisibility. Sheeana has begun practicing Honored Matre Techniques on males he has trained. She seeks info on his memories of the Tyrant and personal details about Murbella, he wants more info on the Bene Gesserit. He wonders if she will help him reactivate the flight controls. Duncan has been recording all of his memories from his serial lives on the ship's computer and boobytrapped it to dump automatically. The Bene Gesserit data recently opened to him raised new questions about the organization of Honored Matre opposition. Were Futars and Handlers a Tleilaxu offshoot? Were the couple in his visions their creaters and could it be possible that they are independant Face Dancers? He needs more data and feels they are holding it back from him. He regongnizes his fidgeting and feels on the edge of a mentat breakthrough. The no-ship is a piece in the game which can't be moved. Thinking you know why you do what you do gives you all sorts of excuses of extraordinary behaivior. The Bene Gesserit want his willing participation in their dream. These are pieces of the puzzle. He recalls Odrade bringing him a holorecord of her Van Gogh in the middle of one night and claiming it was her hold on humanity. The artist had tested the limits, that was another piece. Get in tune, don't think, do it... all pieces of the puzzle but he still can't put them together.
    User avatar
    Freakzilla
    Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
     
    Posts: 18057
    Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
    Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Norma Cenva » 13 Aug 2009 05:14

    this mosiac thing puzzles me, altho i've read this chapter, and all the other chapters about this thing many times, i still don't get is. i don't get what it means. can someone explain it to me?
    User avatar
    Norma Cenva
     
    Posts: 12
    Joined: 11 Aug 2009 05:07
    Location: The Netherlands

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Aug 2009 13:54

    One of the talents of mentats is being able to extrapolate a complete picture from incomplete data. Duncan is struggling to see the complete picture (mosaic), he feels he has all the pieces but doesn't know how they go together.
    Image
    Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
    ~Pink Snowman
    User avatar
    Freakzilla
    Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
     
    Posts: 18057
    Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
    Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Frybread » 13 Aug 2009 14:54

    Freakzilla wrote:One of the talents of mentats is being able to extrapolate a complete picture from incomplete data. Duncan is struggling to see the complete picture (mosaic), he feels he has all the pieces but doesn't know how they go together.


    I can't remember which book it was, but one said the most talented Mentats are those who can make accurate predictions, deductions, and/or hypotheses from incomplete data.
    Frybread
     
    Posts: 268
    Joined: 16 Aug 2008 11:40
    Location: Wyoming, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Aug 2009 20:08

    Frybread wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:One of the talents of mentats is being able to extrapolate a complete picture from incomplete data. Duncan is struggling to see the complete picture (mosaic), he feels he has all the pieces but doesn't know how they go together.


    I can't remember which book it was, but one said the most talented Mentats are those who can make accurate predictions, deductions, and/or hypotheses from incomplete data.


    I think that's what all mentats do.
    Image
    Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
    ~Pink Snowman
    User avatar
    Freakzilla
    Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
     
    Posts: 18057
    Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
    Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby SadisticCynic » 13 Aug 2009 21:10

    The more data the better. I think there is a quote about Mentats and something to do with patterns somewhere in the books although I could be mixing this up with my own ideas. I remember thinking that the Mentats simply do on an amplified scale what we do all the time - pattern recognition.

    What Frank has done is to cleverly (as usual) take something we do naturally but at a relatively low level of consciousness (i.e. we don't always realise we're doing it) and imagine what would happen if you took that particular ability and trained it up.

    I hope you get where I'm coming from; I don't think I'm explaining myself brilliantly here. It's been awhile since I thought of that...
    Ah English, the language where pretty much any word can have any meaning! - A Thing of Eternity
    User avatar
    SadisticCynic
     
    Posts: 2002
    Joined: 07 Apr 2009 09:28
    Location: In Time or in Space?

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Norma Cenva » 14 Aug 2009 03:20

    well i got THAT! the thing i didn't get, is what the solution to the puzzle is. So what projection does Duncan make?
    User avatar
    Norma Cenva
     
    Posts: 12
    Joined: 11 Aug 2009 05:07
    Location: The Netherlands

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Freakzilla » 14 Aug 2009 09:44

    Norma Cenva wrote:well i got THAT! the thing i didn't get, is what the solution to the puzzle is. So what projection does Duncan make?


    That the HMs are running from an unknown enemy in The Scattering, I believe.
    Image
    Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
    ~Pink Snowman
    User avatar
    Freakzilla
    Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
     
    Posts: 18057
    Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
    Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Frybread » 14 Aug 2009 11:18

    Freakzilla wrote:
    Frybread wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:One of the talents of mentats is being able to extrapolate a complete picture from incomplete data. Duncan is struggling to see the complete picture (mosaic), he feels he has all the pieces but doesn't know how they go together.


    I can't remember which book it was, but one said the most talented Mentats are those who can make accurate predictions, deductions, and/or hypotheses from incomplete data.


    I think that's what all mentats do.


    And the more talented a Mentat is the less data he/she needs to come up with accurate conclusions.
    Frybread
     
    Posts: 268
    Joined: 16 Aug 2008 11:40
    Location: Wyoming, USA

    Re: Chapter 24

    Postby Freakzilla » 01 Sep 2012 20:42

    No revisions.
    Image
    Paul of Dune was so bad it gave me a seizure that dislocated both of my shoulders and prolapsed my anus.
    ~Pink Snowman
    User avatar
    Freakzilla
    Lead Singer and Driver of the Winnebego
     
    Posts: 18057
    Joined: 05 Feb 2008 01:27
    Location: Atlanta, Georgia, USA


    Return to ˱

    Who is online

    Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

    cron