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Postby SandChigger » 26 Jan 2009 02:38

Someone tried to add this into the Synopsis section of the page for Paul of Dune on Wikipedia a day or two ago, with the edit summary "(Added dust cover text by Kevin J. Anderson that gives more of a flaovr of the "why" and "where" of how this book fits into the canon of other storeis of the Dune Universe)":

Paul of Dune—From a Hero to a Tyrant

By Kevin J. Anderson

Over the past ten years, Brian Herbert and I have explored Frank Herbert’s Dune universe, ranging from ten thousand years before the original Dune (in our “Butlerian Jihad” trilogy) to five thousand years after Dune (in our most recent pair of novels, Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune). However, we faced our biggest challenge when writing Paul of Dune, a novel intimately entwined with the original masterpiece, dealing with the most important character of the series.

At the end of Dune, Paul Atreides is a charismatic, optimistic hero who has just overthrown the corrupt Emperor; crushed his enemy, the Baron Harkonnen; and taken the Princess Irulan for his wife. He is about to launch his faithful Fremen on a violent jihad to cement his control of the galaxy. Frank Herbert wrote his own followup to Dune—Dune Messiah—but he chose to pick up the story a dozen years after the original novel: The jihad is already over, countless billions have been killed, and Paul has become a tyrant—an extremely unsympathetic character who has turned a blind eye to the corruption in his government and the awful things being done in his name.

What in the world happened between those two novels? How can we explain the dramatic shift in Paul’s character? Paul of Dune is the untold story of that vital gap in Dune history; how the legend—and tragedy—of Paul Muad’Dib unfolds; and how Princess Irulan becomes his biographer, propagandist, and myth-maker, willing to doctor history as she sees fit.
Because the story is so closely meshed with Frank Herbert’s classics, plotting our novel and adding crucial events about the brief, dramatic reign of Muad’Dib posed a considerable challenge for us. Brian and I read, and reread, and reread the original classics, as well as Frank Herbert’s notes and correspondence, in order to develop Paul of Dune. The millions of Dune fans worldwide now have the missing link in Paul’s transformation from hero to tyrant. [1]

Does anyone know what "dust cover" this comes from? The UK hardback?

(Play "spot the errors in the text", if you're really bored. Or the lies. ;) )
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Postby Ghost » 26 Jan 2009 05:18

Paul of Dune—From a Hero to a Tyrant
By Kevin J. Anderson

Paul Atreides is a charismatic, optimistic hero



an extremely unsympathetic character who has turned a blind eye to the corruption in his government and the awful things being done in his name.


How can we explain the dramatic shift in Paul’s character?


No, you can't

Paul of Dune is the untold story of that vital gap in Dune history


No, it isn't


and how Princess Irulan becomes his biographer, propagandist, and myth-maker, willing to doctor history as she sees fit.


= We fucktard$ rewrite$ this a$ we $ee fit to earn $ome ca$h


plotting our novel and adding crucial events


No, they aren't

posed a considerable challenge for us.


Of course, you are 2 hacks good for nothing


Brian and I read, and reread, and reread the original classics


Yeah, sure.

, as well as Frank Herbert’s notes and correspondence, in order to develop Paul of Dune.


Let me LOL a bit more.

,The millions of Dune fans worldwide now have the missing link in Paul’s transformation from hero to tyrant.


No, we don't

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Postby SandChigger » 26 Jan 2009 08:56

That's the spirit! :lol:

Come to think of it, I think Kevin blawgged something about rereading Dune over the holidays.

(Or was he going to go hiking with the audiobook version? That sounds more his style, no? :roll: )

I wonder how far he got....
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Postby Ghost » 26 Jan 2009 11:13

Nah, also i dont believe that he reads his own shit.
I read Huntards and Sandworms last month, there are tons of contradictions in there.
The last one i remember (in SoD) was that Holtzman created the engines to fold space, where they wrote that was Norma Cenva (using Holtzman Equations)

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Postby SandRider » 26 Jan 2009 12:34

and then Keith has the gall to pretend to not understand why people
hate him and call him names.

or maybe he doesn't understand.

Y'all know, I've been studying this thing pretty thoroughly for a few
months now. And I'm still stumped at a point that I was at when I
started :

What are these three really thinking ?

It's obviously somekind of mental illness. It's worse than NewSpeak.
How, in the same paragraph, can you claim to have carefully studied
and understood a concept, then completely mis-state and twist it ?

Stupidity just doesn't cover it for me.
(Well, it does for Merritt) But I'm convinced at this point that Brian
knows better, but is helpless, a hostage to Keith's Jedi Mind Tricks.
And I think Keith knows better, too, and doesn't care.

So why ? Why not care ?
How much harder is it to write off-the-wall bullshit that doesn't fit into
the original concepts, and then have to battle people like us and do
flips and twists to explain yourself ?

Why not write it right in the first place ?
Where's the payoff ? (And I don't mean revenue.)

From Keith's Ego, I can get why he acts the way he does now. But what is
the original motivation ? Hubris ? Ignorance ? A lack of long-term
thinking, like the BSG writers ?

Now, I'm used to dealing with irrational people. Alot of times, it doesn't
do any good whatsoever to ask "Damn, why'd he do that ?".
But in this case, Stupidity, carelessness, mental illness, &etc. are not
an acceptable answer.




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Postby Frybread » 26 Jan 2009 12:46

I hate Keith. I really do. The guy's ego knows no bounds.

As far as his terrible rewriting of Dune, someone here said it best. Keith came to Dune from the fast-and-loose world of the Star Wars Expanded Universe, where contradictions, artistic license, and dumb ideas are pervelant.

Keith thought he could bring that Star Wars EU type of approach to writing to Dune. He probably figured he could skim the original Dune books and then crank out his own Dune novels each year to a new group of adoring fan boys who would love the Star Wars-like space battles, violence, and superficial plot lines.

However, Keith didn't realize how deep FH's work really is and has had his massive ego bruised by us, the fans of true Dune.

And despite his errors being pointed out time and time again, Keith still has the nerve to talk as if he knows Dune better than anyone -- maybe even including The Other Guy.

Did I say I hate Keith? I really do.

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Postby SandRider » 26 Jan 2009 12:53

right, I agree with that.

There's an interview with him that stuck in my mind about how he
wanted to write "one-a-year" serial books, like the ones he
enjoyed when he "was a kid".

And then there's a passage in Dreamer of Dune where Brian is looking
at all the merchandise from the 84 Dune movie, and not liking it at all.
Frank says, fuck it, those people gots to makes money, too ...

(so subconsciously anyway, there's the Spawn's justification, I guess ...)
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Postby Frybread » 26 Jan 2009 13:03

SandRider wrote:right, I agree with that.

There's an interview with him that stuck in my mind about how he
wanted to write "one-a-year" serial books, like the ones he
enjoyed when he "was a kid".

And then there's a passage in Dreamer of Dune where Brian is looking
at all the merchandise from the 84 Dune movie, and not liking it at all.
Frank says, fuck it, those people gots to makes money, too ...

(so subconsciously anyway, there's the Spawn's justification, I guess ...)


I've never read Brian's solo work. But maybe he brought in Keith because he realized he didn't have the chops to churn-out a book a year.

Or maybe he wanted someone else to take the heat for the poor writing. ;)

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Postby SandChigger » 26 Jan 2009 16:02

That's one of my pet theories, that Brian really wanted to destroy his father's greatest work but doesn't want to take the main blame himself forever (in the literary history books), so he brought in best-selling hack KJA as the fall guy.

In a few years, Brian will come out and reveal that he has been under the influence of alcohol and drugs and unwittingly allowed Kevin to take control of the situation and run amok.

Brian is always the victim, after all. :roll:
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Postby Frybread » 26 Jan 2009 16:09

SandChigger wrote:That's one of my pet theories, that Brian really wanted to destroy his father's greatest work but doesn't want to take the main blame himself forever (in the literary history books), so he brought in best-selling hack KJA as the fall guy.

In a few years, Brian will come out and reveal that he has been under the influence of alcohol and drugs and unwittingly allowed Kevin to take control of the situation and run amok.

Brian is always the victim, after all. :roll:


Right. And, maybe, Brian was cunning enough to know that Keith wouldn't realize what he was doing. That Keith, with his massive ego, would think that Brian had asked him to lead this project because of his "talent" in writing (poor) Young Adult fiction at a rapid pace.

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Postby SandRider » 26 Jan 2009 16:24

Oh, absolutely, if Keith can ever be pried off the HLP teat,
Brian will present himself as a hapless victim. Horribly in
over his head, a thrall of Darth Hackerson. (I tried to say "no",
mommy. I really did.
)


Chigg, I can't buy the idea that Brian is somehow intentionally
trying to destroy DUNE. And again, he didn't bring in Keith -
that asshole wormed his own way in, wearing poor Brian down with
his evil Jedi Mind Tricks.

But Brian as the hapless dupe has problems, too.
Mainly, all the bullshit he's spouted in interviews.
If he wasn't on the record anywhere, just a shadowy, reclusive
figure and Keith had done all the press, a case could be made for
his (relative) innocence.


{edit}
random thought, here:
Omph, did they teach you how to draw up criminal indictments
at mouthpiece school ?

I'd like to see one on the Hacks Twain ....

Hell, I'll even file it down at the courthouse, for kicks ...
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Postby Sole Man » 26 Jan 2009 16:29

It's obviously somekind of mental illness


These are signs of Sloemantia. We can only hope to quaratine them before it gets even worse tehan it already is.

I've seen it a hundred times before and it never gets any easier.

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Postby Freakzilla » 26 Jan 2009 17:48

Sole Man wrote:Sloemantia


I like it! :lol:
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Re: On madness

Postby Tleszer » 26 Jan 2009 19:48

Freakzilla wrote:
Sole Man wrote:Sloemantia


I like it! :lol:


:shock:

Hope it's not too contagious!
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Postby Freakzilla » 27 Jan 2009 11:15

Tleszer wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Sole Man wrote:Sloemantia


I like it! :lol:


:shock:

Hope it's not too contagious!


I just realized it is, of course, spelled wrong.

Shouldn't it be Sloementia?

:lol:
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Postby SandChigger » 27 Jan 2009 15:54

:roll:


(The older he gets, the less funny the misspellings and bad grammar. Let's hope he cleans up his act before he's...what, 29? ;) )
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Postby Sole Man » 27 Jan 2009 15:56

Freakzilla wrote:Shouldn't it be Sloementia?


Exactly!

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Postby Nekhrun » 27 Jan 2009 20:11

SandChigger wrote::roll:


(The older he gets, the less funny the misspellings and bad grammar. Let's hope he cleans up his act before he's...what, 29? ;) )

I don't know, I started teaching adults this semester and I'm sad to say that if he's made it this far, he's not gettin' any better.

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Postby SandChigger » 27 Jan 2009 22:40

Simon II is born. :roll:
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