Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby TheDukester » 01 Aug 2009 23:22

SandChigger wrote:I really wanted to know what the downside for the publisher would be if they decided to ax him, breaking their contract for the remaining books ...

In all seriousness, I continue to hold out hope for this. I have visions of someone with some balls at Tor saying, "Hell with it; let's take a hit if we have to — just get rid of this clown."
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

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Nice avatar, Dukester!

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Omphalos » 02 Aug 2009 00:06

SandChigger wrote:Sorry if that wasn't clear; the cover issue and breach question weren't really connected. I really wanted to know what the downside for the publisher would be if they decided to ax him, breaking their contract for the remaining books, and you answered that. :)


There are probably clauses in there that make it easier for them to dump him, move him to a lower volume editor, or do other things if his sales volume drops. Ive never seen one of those contracts, but I would imagine that Tor knows what its doing and can cover its ass well enough.

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Hunchback Jack » 05 Aug 2009 00:14

Well, I'm In a bookstore right now, looking at a paperback copy of PoD with the OLD cover!

Can't upload a photo from my phone, sadly.

So I don't know if kja screwed up or what.

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby SandChigger » 05 Aug 2009 00:58

Maybe it's for the second edition?
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

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SandChigger wrote:Maybe it's for the second edition?


Publishers change the cover art on the books to keep them looking "fresh". It is a marketing thing. If you keep cranking out book after book and th covers all look the same, it becomes harder for the browsing buyer to notice the next installment. Adding a new cover makes it stand out on the shelf. Going back and releasing new editions with the new covers brings back the continuity, and may spur repeat sales.

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

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redbugpest wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Maybe it's for the second edition?


Publishers change the cover art on the books to keep them looking "fresh". It is a marketing thing. If you keep cranking out book after book and th covers all look the same, it becomes harder for the browsing buyer to notice the next installment.


...Or the originals... :wink:
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby SandChigger » 05 Aug 2009 09:23

redbugpest wrote:Publishers change the cover art on the books to keep them looking "fresh". It is a marketing thing. If you keep cranking out book after book and th covers all look the same, it becomes harder for the browsing buyer to notice the next installment. Adding a new cover makes it stand out on the shelf. Going back and releasing new editions with the new covers brings back the continuity, and may spur repeat sales.

Once again, dumbfuck, you demonstrate that you have no reading comprehension whatsoever. :D
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Nekhrun » 05 Aug 2009 09:41

redbugpest wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Maybe it's for the second edition?


Publishers change the cover art on the books to keep them looking "fresh". It is a marketing thing. If you keep cranking out book after book and th covers all look the same, it becomes harder for the browsing buyer to notice the next installment. Adding a new cover makes it stand out on the shelf. Going back and releasing new editions with the new covers brings back the continuity, and may spur repeat sales.

*Note: the "e" is intentionally missing on one word because I know how it bothers a pesky little pest who shall remain namless* (right, Chiggie ol' buddy) :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Ampoliros » 05 Aug 2009 10:23

Way to repeat something we've all said or known before.

Did you read Paul of Dune? can you point out where Marie Fenring is awesome, other than when the hack just tells us she's awesome?

Have you read Winds of Dune? can you explain why in a 1 page gap KJA can't keep time straight? this mystical month after Paul's Death seems to have between 2-3 weeks and 5-6 weeks in it.

Can you explain why KJA can't wrap his head around the fact that guild transports travel instantly? And don't give me the 'loading time' crap.
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby SadisticCynic » 05 Aug 2009 11:00

redbugpest wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Maybe it's for the second edition?


Publishers change the cover art on the books to keep them looking "fresh". It is a marketing thing. If you keep cranking out book after book and th covers all look the same, it becomes harder for the browsing buyer to notice the next installment. Adding a new cover makes it stand out on the shelf. Going back and releasing new editions with the new covers brings back the continuity, and may spur repeat sales.

*Note: the "e" is intentionally missing on one word because I know how it bothers a pesky little pest who shall remain namless* (right, Chiggie ol' buddy) :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle


Actually, you'll find its missing on two words...
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Hunchback Jack » 05 Aug 2009 11:33

RBP, my post wasn't really a question about why covers change, but about the confusing matter of the Paul of dune paperback cover. Originally the cover on amazon was the same as the PoD hardcover. Then KJA announced on his blog that the cover had changed to be similar in style to the winds HC, and that cover showed up in his blog, on amazon and on the new DN site.

But the actual cover that was used when it was published yesterday was the old cover - same as the PoD HC.

Changing cover styles to make a new installment stand out us understandable. Announcing a cover change and not doing it is confusing. And dumb.

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Eyes High » 05 Aug 2009 11:53

Hunchback Jack wrote:RBP, my post wasn't really a question about why covers change, but about the confusing matter of the Paul of dune paperback cover. Originally the cover on amazon was the same as the PoD hardcover. Then KJA announced on his blog that the cover had changed to be similar in style to the winds HC, and that cover showed up in his blog, on amazon and on the new DN site.

But the actual cover that was used when it was published yesterday was the old cover - same as the PoD HC.

Changing cover styles to make a new installment stand out us understandable. Announcing a cover change and not doing it is confusing. And dumb.

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Could this be another incident of he thought one thing but the publisher did another? i.e. the cover change for Winds.
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby TheDukester » 05 Aug 2009 12:04

Eyes High wrote:Could this be another incident of he thought one thing but the publisher did another? i.e. the cover change for Winds.

There's two factors at work here, actually:

1. Kevin J. Anderson, once again, was either left entirely out of the loop regarding a publisher's decision on a cover, or else he just flat-out got the information wrong. Either way, of course, is pretty funny.

2. Our friend Conway is adding to the fun by, once again, trying to impress us with his knowledge of the publishing industry. Sadly, this ranks somewhere near his knowledge of good web-design. Remember, this is the same guy that "guaranteed" that Amazon had made a mistake when it first posted the revised U.S. hardcover art. Bzzzzzzztttt!

Mix these two factors together, and you're bound to have some confusion.
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Hunchback Jack » 05 Aug 2009 12:31

TheDukester wrote:
Eyes High wrote:Could this be another incident of he thought one thing but the publisher did another? i.e. the cover change for Winds.

There's two factors at work here, actually:

1. Kevin J. Anderson, once again, was either left entirely out of the loop regarding a publisher's decision on a cover, or else he just flat-out got the information wrong. Either way, of course, is pretty funny.


Indeed. When I said the cover change debacle for PoD was "confusing" what I meant was "it makes KJA look like an idiot".

But do I really need to say that? ;)

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Hunchback Jack » 04 Sep 2009 11:45

Speaking of PoD covers, Hodder (the UK DUNE publisher) are a slippery bunch.

As noticed before, PoD has "The Epic Sequel to Dune" on the cover. Hodder have also released Dune and Dune Messiah with new covers similar in style to PoD. How do they describe DM?

"His second Dune novel".

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Slippery indeed... bigging up PoD above a confirmed classic.

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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby Freakzilla » 04 Sep 2009 13:21

Nice generic cover art... NOT.
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I prefer the art they have on Dune...

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Mindblowing.

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I didn't know Michael Bay was painting covers for Dune! :P
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GamePlayer wrote:I didn't know Michael Bay was painting covers for Dune! :P

ZING! :laughing:
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby E. LeGuille » 11 Sep 2009 21:39

I have never read it. Don't plan to, either.
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Re: Has anybody read Paul of Dune?

Postby SandChigger » 11 Sep 2009 23:23

What ... you suddenly developed some taste?

Wow ... evolution in action? :lol:
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DuneFishUK wrote:I prefer the art they have on Dune...

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Mindblowing.


Oh, a Dune book cover?
At first glance, resembles one of the older editions of Dianetics by Hubbard.
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