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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Mr. Teg » 23 Jul 2009 18:15

SandChigger wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:in Throne of Dune we'd be subjected to Paul's trips around the galaxy as a Child Broadway Star, fighting off the horde of New Face Dancer Critics and Honored Matre Divas.

Oh for the LOVE of the Maker, Ampoliros, do you HAVE to post that shit in public?! Kevin's got a WHOLE YEAR to see and "appropriate" it now! :twisted:

:lol:

There are still three years left between the "Jongleur Jaunt" described in WoD and when the Atreides leave for Arrakis, so he could still squeeze in plenty of new flashback incidents in Throne. Or even LoD. :(

In fact, wouldn't it be in keeping with Kevin's apparent need to completely diss Leto II to poop-pack Leto of Dune with Paul flashbacks?

And there's also those unexamined 12 years between Paul's birth and the PoD flashbacks.

Oh yes, Kevin has plenty left to shit on.... :tissue2:


Seven layers of hell, does this mean the Worm will perform a little ditty and dance in LoD?
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Karyle » 23 Jul 2009 18:36

Seven layers of hell, does this mean the Worm will perform a little ditty and dance in LoD?
"Ah Moneo, back in my Jongleur days...cha cha cha CHA!"[/quote]

I threw up in my mouth and laughed at the same time. My wife is currently crying from laughing so hard at me.

Thank you for that.

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 23 Jul 2009 19:37

Mr. Teg wrote:Seven layers of hell, does this mean the Worm will perform a little ditty and dance in LoD?
"Ah Moneo, back in my Jongleur days...cha cha cha CHA!"

Only when channeling Daddy Paul, you mean, right? Oh, why not! :P

This is actually starting to sound pretty good. :shock:

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby cmsahe » 28 Jul 2009 00:24

How can it be a killer robot with his downcast eyestalks and being "O-mouthed"? :) I feel tenderness for him!
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 28 Jul 2009 03:15

cmsahe wrote:his downcast eyestalks and being "O-mouthed"? :) I feel tenderness for him!

:? Um ... well, that's a good thing ... because that O-shaped thing ISN'T a mouth.

Be gentle ... as well as tender. ;)

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Hunchback Jack » 29 Jul 2009 19:10

I added my KJA post as a discussion to the Winds of Dune product page on Amazon.com.

It's titled "Why KJA can't write Dune Novels."

Okay, so maybe I got a bit less "balanced" with that title. ;)

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby loremaster » 31 Jul 2009 17:58

one quote i always remember as significant although i cannot remember if it was Frank, Tolkien or someone else. I have a strong suspicion it was Frank though.

Was when he said there were times that he would be almost in tears when rereading sections he had written previously, appalled at what he had written. Times when he would just rip up and throw out a couple of months of work, particularly after a couple of months of reflection.

By simple turn of numbers, KJA cannot have this kind of reflective, introspective editing. I would imagine all good authors are probably constantly reassessing the direction of their story, its background, consistency etc

If he churns them out at the rate his does, KJA simply CANNOT be taking this kind of time over his work. I would like to know the last time he looked at/heard back a good few chapters, or even a small story arc, and said "WTF?!?!". Then threw it out.

I think one of my biggest problems with KJA is that he gives the impression of BELIEVING EVERYTHING he does is pure magic. Hell, anyone remotely human knows that they have good days, and bad days. I've yet to hear KJA say that he makes a single mistake, only that its constantly perfect and prolific. (apart from THE ONE inconsistency.... did we ever find out what that was?)
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Hunchback Jack » 31 Jul 2009 18:32

I think KJA actively avoids that kind of analysis. He even discourages it in other people. And I think it's because of fear.

After all, the reason he gave for why he won't release the Dune7 outline, is so that people won't hang him with it. What that tells me is that he's completely unwilling to stand up for his own decisions and own work in the face of criticism.

(Not that I'm any kind of expert, or have any special knowledge of what goes on inside KJA's mind. But some actions do tend to ... suggest ... certain motivating emotions)

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 31 Jul 2009 19:05

loremaster wrote:(apart from THE ONE inconsistency.... did we ever find out what that was?)

No.

He doesn't have the balls to reveal what the ONE mistake they MAY have made is. And was quite the pissy teenbiotch about it. ("To date, I have heard of only one mistake that doesn't have an explanation for a careful reader, or at least one with an open mind. (And, no, I'm not going to tell you what it is!)")

Hunchback Jack wrote:After all, the reason he gave for why he won't release the Dune7 outline, is so that people won't hang him with it. What that tells me is that he's completely unwilling to stand up for his own decisions and own work in the face of criticism.

I got the same impression from how he claimed it's impossible to know who wrote what passages, him or Brian (assuming for the moment, that is, that the official line is true and Brian Herbert writes anything more than his signature). That's complete bullshit unless they immediately trash their drafts once they've been sent to the other; doesn't Word record edits by user, even in the Mac version?

Maybe one day when the franchise is milked dry, he'll hike his big expose memoir and reveal how he ghosted everything, including Brian's ridiculous TimeWub series. Until then, he's swallowing his need to be the only shiny pate in the spotlight and letting Fuzzy enjoy some of it, too. Before he croaks or they can't hide how he drools from the public. But I can't see him not taking credit for his own work forever. ;)
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby TheDukester » 31 Jul 2009 21:32

SandChigger wrote:... doesn't Word record edits by user, even in the Mac version?

It does it quite well, actually. Word will happily tell you everything about who did what, no matter how big or small.

And to echo your earlier sentiment: the whole "we can't even tell who wrote what!" thing might be the biggest line of bullshit Keith has ever tried to peddle. That's not how writers' minds work (and, for the sake of argument, I'll include Kevin as a "writer"): it's an intensely personal thing to do, and you do not suddenly lose the ability to recognize your own work just because you're collaborating.** Utter, complete, total bullshit.

** If, in fact, Bobo writes a single word.
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 31 Jul 2009 23:26

Then again, considering how many shit books he's usually "writing" at the same time, maybe he really can't remember? :P

Anyway, his point was that they draft their own parts and then trade and rewrite several times and by the end it would be impossible to separate out who wrote what.

And you're totally right, that's complete bullshit.
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An open letter to Kevin

Postby Nebiros » 01 Aug 2009 01:40

Since Kevin seems to be the one communicating to readers most of the time, I'll write to him.

I am NOT joking about this guys. Does Kevin have an address or e-mail he gives out? Or does he only give it out to fanboys? Perhaps somebody can go under cover as a fanboy?

I want to write a civil letter of complaint to him as a fan who has read the new Dune novels. I remember reading that they do in fact read fan mail. I do not think Byron will relay my message in the forum to Kevin and Brian so I need to write a letter or e-mail.

Without insult, I will just speak my mind. I'll start off by saying a half-truth that up until Hunters of Dune I was impressed and grateful that they continued the much loved Dune series. But was dissapointed by Sandworms for various reasons I'll mention in the letter.

I will kindly inquire if this was really the ending Frank Herbert had in mind (deux ex machina). I will ask weather they had a deadline to meet and wrote the book at too quick a pace that even he would admit it and hence all the unnecissary plot elements. I'll advise them that they should have written just one 700 page sequel focussing more on the ghola characters development, eliminating unnecissary details and to think up better ways to wrap up the story if possible.

Most likely Kevin will ignore my complaints, but I certainly will not be some hateful talifan. It's worth a try to talk reason into Kevin. Maybe, just maybe I'll get a letter in response to my civil criticism and complaint. There is of course the option of approaching him at one of his book signings, but then I'll need to buy a plane ticket to the United States. How would he react? Will he just say "Talifan!" and walk away? Will he call security to escort me out of the building? Or will he listen and then explain to me how the ending is exellent?

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Re: An open letter to Kevin

Postby TheDukester » 01 Aug 2009 01:46

Nebiros wrote:Does Kevin have an address or e-mail he gives out?

1 Hack Road
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I've even got his cell number for you:

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Hunchback Jack » 01 Aug 2009 01:58

Dukester, Chig might be the "professional KJA Hater", but you sure ain't no amateur :).

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby TheDukester » 01 Aug 2009 02:00

I'm a "loather." :dance:
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 01 Aug 2009 02:02

:lol:

Try username "kja" addressed at domain "wordfire dot com".

That's one he had listed on kjasf.com. It's not his personal one, which I won't give out without his permission. (And since I won't ask him if it's OK to give it to you....)

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Omphalos » 01 Aug 2009 11:14

Anderhole doesn't even take polite criticism well. I sent him my review of Ill Winds, a book he wrote with Doug Beason, and he responded with a sarcastic "thanks for the kind words" with an unstated "asshole" at the end. I almost rewrote the review to include our e-mail exchange, but decided not to.

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Ampoliros » 01 Aug 2009 11:57

SandChigger wrote:
loremaster wrote:(apart from THE ONE inconsistency.... did we ever find out what that was?)

No.

He doesn't have the balls to reveal what the ONE mistake they MAY have made is. And was quite the pissy teenbiotch about it. ("To date, I have heard of only one mistake that doesn't have an explanation for a careful reader, or at least one with an open mind. (And, no, I'm not going to tell you what it is!)")


I thought it was that they hired KJA to write DUNE...
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby TheDukester » 01 Aug 2009 12:44

Omphalos wrote:Anderhole doesn't even take polite criticism well.

Most 12-year-olds don't.

All kidding aside, he has a number of developmental issues. He lacks many basic social skills and, frankly, seems to have a difficult time being an adult.
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SadisticCynic » 01 Aug 2009 14:30

loremaster wrote:one quote i always remember as significant although i cannot remember if it was Frank, Tolkien or someone else. I have a strong suspicion it was Frank though.

Was when he said there were times that he would be almost in tears when rereading sections he had written previously, appalled at what he had written. Times when he would just rip up and throw out a couple of months of work, particularly after a couple of months of reflection.

By simple turn of numbers, KJA cannot have this kind of reflective, introspective editing. I would imagine all good authors are probably constantly reassessing the direction of their story, its background, consistency etc

If he churns them out at the rate his does, KJA simply CANNOT be taking this kind of time over his work. I would like to know the last time he looked at/heard back a good few chapters, or even a small story arc, and said "WTF?!?!". Then threw it out.

I think one of my biggest problems with KJA is that he gives the impression of BELIEVING EVERYTHING he does is pure magic. Hell, anyone remotely human knows that they have good days, and bad days. I've yet to hear KJA say that he makes a single mistake, only that its constantly perfect and prolific. (apart from THE ONE inconsistency.... did we ever find out what that was?)


I can't remember if Tolkien was that extreme or not but I do know he definitely didn't believe his work was worth publishing. He wrote his work mostly for his own pleasure. He had a good attitude towards his work, as did Frank judging from the quote at the start of Eye.
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Samarkan » 01 Aug 2009 16:09

Perhaps the attacks against him actually motivates him to keep writing because he does not want a few “talifan” to bring him down.


KJA is such a douchebag. did he coin that phrase "talifan" or just use it? he's such a turd for making a comparison between normal people who like stories with an actual plot and religious extremists. U DONT LIKE MAI BOOKS SO UR A TERORIST HURR!!! :Adolf:

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby Samarkan » 01 Aug 2009 16:21

Kevin J. Anderson (aka Kevin James Anderson) was born March 27, 1962 in Racine, Wisconsin. The War of the Worlds greatly influenced him. He wrote his first story at eight years old entitled Injection. At ten, he bought a typewriter and has written ever since.


I took that from Wakipedia so it must be at least 50% true. At any rate, it's misleading. They should replace the word "written" with the phrase "RHOMBUR SMASHED random keys". Oh wait, I forgot he's an illiterate who dictates his shitty stories to someone who learned how to spell big words like THE.

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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 01 Aug 2009 19:14

You seem bitter. :(

Don't stop! :lol:


Kevin didn't come up with "talifan" (but I bet he wishes he had); I believe he claims it was some clever friend of his (ALL his friends are wonderful and clever; the stupid ones he keeps as fans) that came up with it, but I think I've also seen it attributed to Karen Traviss or other Star Wars writers. Who knows? :)
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby GamePlayer » 01 Aug 2009 19:48

I'm uncertain whether Karen Traviss deserves the credit for "talifan", but for some unexplainable reason I find it very easy to believe KJA is just using the term someone else invented :)
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Re: Analysis of Kevin

Postby SandChigger » 01 Aug 2009 22:28

IIRC he attributed it to someone else (some guy) the first time he used it on the old DN blog, but I just can't be fooked to go look for it at the moment. ;)