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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Ampoliros » 13 Aug 2009 03:53

redbugpest wrote:Her knowledge of the pregnancy has absolutely nothing to do with “Bloodlines” and she is concerned enough to leave for Dune immediately upon finding out.

:crazy:

So, if I understand what you are saying, the Quizarate would openly defy his wishes, if he felt the need to keep this pregnancy secret,

Yes.

and Jessica would have her own spy network in place,

Yes.

even though the Fremen security is above reproach.

No. I never said Fremen security was perfect. I said they were obsessed with security. As would be Paul (who is prescient, btw, no matter how much KJA wants to avoid that problem.) I'm not saying there is no room for intrigue. I'm saying it has to be handled intelligently, something KJA wants the reader to forget. His intrigue is downright embarrassing.


I think you are just nit picking on these points, and it really shows how truly close minded to this kind of “open” discussion.

Nitpicking would be to point out that the above is not a complete sentence. However I'm assuming that you meant I'm not being open minded. I'm open minded, even about Dune. It's not my job however to do mental gymnastics just to have KJA's story make since in the Dune universe. ITS HIS JOB. And he refuses to do it! Instead he sends people like you to come here and tell us we are being 'close-minded'. I want more good Dune books. I want Frank's legacy to go on. When I see it being whored out to a hack factory, I'm going to call those responsible on it.

One final question, cause I'm done with you until you go back and actually read the originals: Why do you care so much what we say about KJA and the new dune books? If you don't like it, just ignore it.

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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby SandChigger » 13 Aug 2009 04:42

Ampoliros wrote:Fremen ... were obsessed with security. As would be Paul (who is prescient, btw, no matter how much KJA wants to avoid that problem.)

Paul's prescience is why the entire "BG send Jessica to off him" arc is complete bullshit. :roll:
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby redbugpest » 13 Aug 2009 07:19

SandRider wrote:
SandRider wrote:
redbugpest wrote:
SandRider wrote:
redbugpest wrote:
SandRider wrote:prehater. like it.

I've been trying to come up with a justifiable one-star amazon review
for the new Silly-book that clearly states I haven't read it and will not.

tough going. all I can come up with so far is my old standby :

When I was a little boy, I put my pecker in a racoon-trap.
Hurt like hell, and I never did that again ...

and maybe the cliched definition of insanity:
doing the same thing over & over & expecting different results ...


Hmmm

Isn’t one of your complaints about people posting reviews that have not read the book?

Shame on you Sandrider.
:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:



no, it isn't.
never has been.
pay attention, asshat, takes notes if necessary.

we're not all SandChigger sock-puppets.
some of even have our own ideas & opinions.


So it's OK to post reviews for books that you have not read?


absolutely.
I don't give a fuck what you people do.

it's called Freedom of Speech.
it's the internet.

you're free to post whatever kinda crazy bullshit drivel you want.
I'm free to ignore it, rebut it, flame it, call you an asshat, whatever.

you're free to cowboy up & respond, respond in kind, running crying to the "authorities",
curl up in a little ball of timidity & fucking die, whatever.

amazon has already demonstrated it's not a serious review site.
why treat it like one ?

fuck all the net-nannies, net-nazis, easily offended snitches &etc.

go post on the My Little Pony forums if you don't like it.

{now, run tell dat ...}


nothing to say to this, jackoff ?


How can you talk about everyone's right to say what they want when you are assulting anyone who does not think the way you think.

Members here openly talk about forcing KJA / BH to stop writing these books because it offends your community. Yet, there is another comunity of folks that like and welcome the books. Why don't WE have the right to continue to explore the Dune Universe?

What makes YOUR needs greater than everyones elses needs?
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Nekhrun » 13 Aug 2009 07:35

redbugpest wrote:How can you talk about everyone's right to say what they want when you are assulting anyone who does not think the way you think.

Members here openly talk about forcing KJA / BH to stop writing these books because it offends your community. Yet, there is another comunity of folks that like and welcome the books. Why don't WE have the right to continue to explore the Dune Universe?

What makes YOUR needs greater than everyones elses needs?

That post proves that you still don't get what he's trying to say. You get the concept of Free Speech even less than you get the concept of the question mark.

Also, Preeq Argument #18.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby redbugpest » 13 Aug 2009 07:49

Ampoliros wrote:
redbugpest wrote:Her knowledge of the pregnancy has absolutely nothing to do with “Bloodlines” and she is concerned enough to leave for Dune immediately upon finding out.

:crazy:

So, if I understand what you are saying, the Quizarate would openly defy his wishes, if he felt the need to keep this pregnancy secret,

Yes.

and Jessica would have her own spy network in place,

Yes.

even though the Fremen security is above reproach.

No. I never said Fremen security was perfect. I said they were obsessed with security. As would be Paul (who is prescient, btw, no matter how much KJA wants to avoid that problem.) I'm not saying there is no room for intrigue. I'm saying it has to be handled intelligently, something KJA wants the reader to forget. His intrigue is downright embarrassing.


I think you are just nit picking on these points, and it really shows how truly close minded to this kind of “open” discussion.

Nitpicking would be to point out that the above is not a complete sentence. However I'm assuming that you meant I'm not being open minded. I'm open minded, even about Dune. It's not my job however to do mental gymnastics just to have KJA's story make since in the Dune universe. ITS HIS JOB. And he refuses to do it! Instead he sends people like you to come here and tell us we are being 'close-minded'. I want more good Dune books. I want Frank's legacy to go on. When I see it being whored out to a hack factory, I'm going to call those responsible on it.

One final question, cause I'm done with you until you go back and actually read the originals: Why do you care so much what we say about KJA and the new dune books? If you don't like it, just ignore it.



I care because you are infringing on the rights of others. Your tactics at Amazon are reprehensible. Your constant harassment of KJA is reprehensible. I have said many times that the new Dune books are not on the same level as the originals, and that I do not think that ANY writer could fill those shoes. I enjoy them for what they are.

You have the right to speak your mind, just as I have the right to speak mine. It’s unfortunate that, like so many other extremist groups in the world today, you have focused only on what you perceive your rights to be without regard for what anyone else may think or believe. You have become so entrenched in your position that you cannot even contemplate considering a different point of view, yet you demand answers.

I truly feel sorry for you.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby TheDukester » 13 Aug 2009 09:45

Well, since you're just making speeches and no longer answering questions, I'll just jump right on in here.

redbugpest wrote:I care because you are infringing on the rights of others.

You're kidding with this one, right? Please say you are.

If not, I challenge you to back this up. Name one person who has had one "right" infringed by anyone here, ever.

(And I really hope, for your sake, that you're not talking about "free speech." Even though I have zero respect for you, I'll give you credit for being smarter than that).

redbugpest wrote:Your tactics at Amazon are reprehensible. Your constant harassment of KJA is reprehensible. ... extremist groups .... entrenched in your position ....

All a bit dramatic, wouldn't you say?

But as long as we're on the subject, do you know what I think is reprehensible? Claiming the moral high ground while also being a member of an author-controlled, closed website where the author exchanges merchandise for support, knowing full well that said support will lead to shill reviews throughout the internet.

redbugpest wrote:I truly feel sorry for you.

Oh, fuck off. No, you don't. And neither does anyone else who uses this lame tactic as a sign-off on one of their posts. You might feel a lot of things for the OH movement, but pity certainly isn't one of them.

This needs to be added to the Preek Arguments list, it's so pathetic.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby redbugpest » 13 Aug 2009 09:57

TheDukester wrote:Well, since you're just making speeches and no longer answering questions, I'll just jump right on in here.

redbugpest wrote:I care because you are infringing on the rights of others.

You're kidding with this one, right? Please say you are.

If not, I challenge you to back this up. Name one person who has had one "right" infringed by anyone here, ever.

(And I really hope, for your sake, that you're not talking about "free speech." Even though I have zero respect for you, I'll give you credit for being smarter than that).

redbugpest wrote:Your tactics at Amazon are reprehensible. Your constant harassment of KJA is reprehensible. ... extremist groups .... entrenched in your position ....

All a bit dramatic, wouldn't you say?

But as long as we're on the subject, do you know what I think is reprehensible? Claiming the moral high ground while also being a member of an author-controlled, closed website where the author exchanges merchandise for support, knowing full well that said support will lead to shill reviews throughout the internet.

redbugpest wrote:I truly feel sorry for you.

Oh, fuck off. No, you don't. And neither does anyone else who uses this lame tactic as a sign-off on one of their posts. You might feel a lot of things for the OH movement, but pity certainly isn't one of them.

This needs to be added to the Preek Arguments list, it's so pathetic.


Didn't you say somthing about not talking to me anymore if I answered some questions...
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby TheDukester » 13 Aug 2009 10:10

redbugpest wrote:Didn't you say somthing about not talking to me anymore if I answered some questions...

Not even a nice try.

You're not answering questions; you're making speeches.

And, Brian? Let me be really clear about this: if I decide not to respond in any of these other guys' Q&A threads — you know, the ones you're mostly ignoring — I'll do so as a courtesy. I'll always reserve the right to call you out on your bullshit pontificating at any time and in any place.

The more you stick to the subject at hand, the less you'll hear from me. So spare us the dramatics and get to it.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Nekhrun » 13 Aug 2009 10:37

redbugpest wrote:I care because you are infringing on the rights of others.

When I update the list I'll call this one the: Help! Help! I'm being repressed! argument.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby SandChigger » 13 Aug 2009 12:13

Keep me updated. ;)
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Ampoliros » 13 Aug 2009 12:23

redbugpest wrote:I care because you are infringing on the rights of others. Your tactics at Amazon are reprehensible. Your constant harassment of KJA is reprehensible. I have said many times that the new Dune books are not on the same level as the originals, and that I do not think that ANY writer could fill those shoes. I enjoy them for what they are.

Do you mean this?
"The Expectation of a civilized society should afford a person all the protection they need. But that armor is rendered as thin as tissue when dealing with the uncivilized." (Winds of Dune pg 273)

How am I infringing on KJA's rights? If his books were something he had written privately, and we were doing what we are doing then yes, very much we are infringing his rights i.e. "The Expectation of a civilized society should afford a person all the protection they need". However he has published these books to the public, in someone else's universe. "The Expectation of a civilized society should afford a person all the protection they need. But that armor is rendered as thin as tissue when dealing with the uncivilized." is KJA's way of saying, "American Privacy, stay away if I don't want to deal with you, even when what I'm doing does effect you." One of the major arguments of the OH is that Frank Herbert's Dune isn't just good sci-fi, but a Classic work of English Literature. When KJA treats Dune like a paint-by numbers picture (and gets it wrong) I find it personally offensive because it has become something more than just an intellectual property right. I DO NOT DISPUTE THE HLP'S LEGAL RIGHT TO THE DUNE IP. I heavily dispute the worth that this series has to the legacy of Dune. 500 years from now, Dune will still be scene as a classic important work, whereas KJA's work will be little more than a very embarrassing footnote.


You have the right to speak your mind, just as I have the right to speak mine. It’s unfortunate that, like so many other extremist groups in the world today, you have focused only on what you perceive your rights to be without regard for what anyone else may think or believe. You have become so entrenched in your position that you cannot even contemplate considering a different point of view, yet you demand answers.

you mean Ampoliros: Talifan, Conway: Al-KJAida. I don't perceive my complaints about the quality of the new books to be without regard for what anyone else may think or believe. That's what the HLP has done to us. You like the books, fine, but if you're coming here telling us that we are wrong to not like them then I would have to redirect your above response back at you, verbatim.

You have the right to speak your mind, just as I have the right to speak mine. It’s unfortunate that, like so many other extremist groups in the world today, you have focused only on what you perceive your rights to be without regard for what anyone else may think or believe. You have become so entrenched in your position that you cannot even contemplate considering a different point of view, yet you demand answers.

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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Ampoliros » 13 Aug 2009 12:33

TheDukester wrote:Is it a parody, do you think?

Is Winds of Dune actually a parody of a real Dune book? Are Hacky and Bobo clever enough to pull something like that off?



before I started really digging into it, I considered posting a 5-star "OMG I FINALLY GET IT! BRILLIANT SATIRE IN THE MOLD OF ADAMS!" review on Amazon that discussed that the only way to take the new book seriously was to consider it satire.
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Postby SandChigger » 13 Aug 2009 12:53

How exactly are we "infringing on the rights of others" on Amazon? Which rights are being infringed upon?

Are we preventing someone from posting their own reviews?

Are we preventing someone from posting comments on the reviews of others?

Are we preventing someone from responding to comments on their own or others' reviews?

Are we preventing someone from creating threads or posting comments to existing threads in the customer discussion forums?

Are we preventing someone from buying the book?

I don't see where the infringement is.

Edit: P.S. Been through all the new posts here, so I'm heading off to Amazon now. :)
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby GamePlayer » 13 Aug 2009 12:57

Ampoliros wrote:before I started really digging into it, I considered posting a 5-star "OMG I FINALLY GET IT! BRILLIANT SATIRE IN THE MOLD OF ADAMS!" review on Amazon that discussed that the only way to take the new book seriously was to consider it satire.


I think satire would be a good label, except for the fact that most KJA fans wouldn't know what "satire" meant unless they were victims of it....and even then... :lol:

SandChigger wrote:How exactly are we "infringing on the rights of others" on Amazon?


You're infringing upon my right to live without your opinion! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Postby Ampoliros » 13 Aug 2009 13:06

Amazon hosts discussion threads: Yep

Jacurutu is an open forum. Yep.

Dune Novels: Nope.

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Postby SandChigger » 13 Aug 2009 17:50

GamePlayer wrote:
SandChigger wrote:How exactly are we "infringing on the rights of others" on Amazon?

You're infringing upon my right to live without your opinion! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Exactly.

DON'T infringe on my right to delude myself with a rosy little version of the world!

DON'T infringe on my right to pursue Life, Liberty & Happiness WITHOUT THINKING!

:laughing:
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Postby SandChigger » 13 Aug 2009 17:56

Ampoliros wrote:Amazon hosts discussion threads: Yep

Jacurutu is an open forum. Yep.

Dune Novels: Nope.

KJASF: :cat fight:

Open commenting on blog posts:

Chigger blog: Yep (initially, at least. ;) )

DN "Blog": No comment function.
KJA MySpace blahg: "Friends" only.
KJA Wordfire blahg: Open registration ("Kevin can you see me?"), but probably not free commenting (or not for long)

;)
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby GamePlayer » 13 Aug 2009 18:11

SandChigger wrote:
GamePlayer wrote:
SandChigger wrote:How exactly are we "infringing on the rights of others" on Amazon?

You're infringing upon my right to live without your opinion! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Exactly.

DON'T infringe on my right to delude myself with a rosy little version of the world!

DON'T infringe on my right to pursue Life, Liberty & Happiness WITHOUT THINKING!

:laughing:


DON'T infringe on my right to lie about joining Jacurutu under the false pretense of defending the rights of others!

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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby redbugpest » 24 Sep 2009 12:39

Well, my take has not changed from my earlier posts. Any other Friend of KJA care to take a stab at this?
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Drunken Idaho » 24 Sep 2009 14:33

Wait... Brian... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Special Forces? Or are you just a random KJA supporter from Amazon? Sorry, I missed out on a lot of the Amazon action.
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Postby redbugpest » 24 Sep 2009 14:43

Drunken Idaho wrote:Wait... Brian... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Special Forces? Or are you just a random KJA supporter from Amazon? Sorry, I missed out on a lot of the Amazon action.


Actually, you have missed nothing, since I have neither confirmed nor denied my involvement in the KJASF. I remain mute and aloof to any questions concerning this subject. :hand: :|
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby Nekhrun » 24 Sep 2009 14:48

redbugpest wrote:
Drunken Idaho wrote:Wait... Brian... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Special Forces? Or are you just a random KJA supporter from Amazon? Sorry, I missed out on a lot of the Amazon action.


Actually, you have missed nothing, since I have neither confirmed nor denied my involvement in the KJASF. I remain mute and aloof to any questions concerning this subject. :hand: :|


He is a member and is is an Amazon supporter.
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Re: ATTN: Redbugpest Winds v. Dune

Postby redbugpest » 24 Sep 2009 14:53

Nekhrun wrote:
redbugpest wrote:
Drunken Idaho wrote:Wait... Brian... Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Special Forces? Or are you just a random KJA supporter from Amazon? Sorry, I missed out on a lot of the Amazon action.


Actually, you have missed nothing, since I have neither confirmed nor denied my involvement in the KJASF. I remain mute and aloof to any questions concerning this subject. :hand: :|


He is a member and is is an Amazon supporter.


What is an Amazon Supporter???
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