redbugpest wrote:IThe overwhelming evidence points to Paul being born on Caladan. I will concede that point right now. That does not, however, take away from the enjoyment that I received from reading neither the Original Dune books, nor the new Dune books.
Brian, an interesting point about that (in all seriousness, not trying to start something) is that it does a lot to change Paul's character. And not in a good way.
I think it was DuneFish who brought this up weeks ago, but I'll paraphrase: when we meet Paul in Dune, we are shown that he is, in so many ways, not a normal young man. He has no peers his own age; he's surrounded by adults all the time; he's being groomed for all kinds of wondrous feats when he gets older. There's a sense of loneliness
there, and of being forced to grow old too early.
Now, contrast this with ... what? Frankly, it doesn't seem like Keith and Bobo even had a point in contradicting Paul's childhood. From a literary standpoint, it serves zero purpose. Unless
Unless all they wanted to do was to have some freedom to make a good chunk of money writing the adventures of Young Indiana Atreides. But they couldn't do that when the very first page
of Dune tells us explicitly
how Paul was sheltered and protected and never even went off-world. Big problem ... unless you just ignore it and decide that Frank Herbert's entire Dune output can be tossed aside as in-universe propaganda.
Okay, fine. My point? It's that I'm hoping you see that there's a lot of passion here about not only the Dune canon, but also about simple concepts like respect. It's massively disrespectful
for Keith and that other guy to try to shove aside one of the great works of American literature just because they want to cash in on some YA nonsense with Paul. And one of them is even his son! It's just shameful.
So while Paul leaving Caladan to juggle fruits and vegatables might work for you, it's never
going to work for your core audience here. Never. "Conceding the point" isn't even really the issue; there's a lot of evidence that both Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert actually hate
Frank Herbert (well, one would be hate; the other would just be insane jealousy) and would like nothing more than to discredit his memory and his most famous creation. So, yeah, concede all you want to, but understand that there's going to be some passion coming from our side.
I guess what I'm saying is that, in the end, if you choose to debate some of the issues in those other threads, it's probably not going to be fair. I know that we'll try to respect any arguments that are thought-out, supported by evidence, etc., but there's going to be times when you just run into pure passion.
Wow, not sure where all that came from! I'm supposed to be working!