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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby Mr. Teg » 29 Apr 2010 19:02

chanilover wrote:
Mr. Teg wrote:Timeweb by Brian Herbert, 553 pages, hardcover, 2006

The Timeweb series begins with the relationship between Saito Watanabe and his children Noah and Francella, who attacks her father with mercenaries disguised as Noah's own soldiers preventing Noah and Saito from meeting after years of estrangement.

Chapter One, page 7 (actually the first page, second paragraph).

"He had been estranged from his father, Prince Saito Watanabe, for so long that he had never expected to hear from the old tycoon again."

Brian's own relationship with his father.

Chapter One, page 7 (actually the first page, third paragraph).

"Noah considered the unexpected offer of a meeting between them. His initial thought had been to send a scathing response, or to simply ignore his father altogether. But other possibilities occurred to him."

Brian's own feelings.



Chapter Twenty-Three, page 168.

"Noah's fraternal twin <Francella> waved a hand across a pale yellow identity beam..."

Frank had two sons, Brian and Bruce, but the author symbolically the twin, too.

"After a momentary pause, a heavy alloy door slip open with a smooth click, revealing her father's study-a place he called "the inner sanctum." This room had always been off-limits to Francella and her brother when they were growing up, so it gave her special pleasure to be here now."

This is directly from Brian's own description in Dreamer of Dune.

"What he'd <father> failed to notice, though, was her <Francella> dissatisfaction over the way she had been treated in comparison with Noah, and how her resentment had built up over the years into a deep-seated anger. Francella now had an intense and all-consuming need for money, power, and prestige, and wanted to enjoy it all before she grew too old to appreciate such things."

Brian's own feeling and again taken directly from Dreamer of Dune a comment from one of Frank's friends.

Chapter Twenty-Three, page 169.

"Unfortunately, her father still clung to life like an injured spider on a web...It could go on for years, the nervous doctor said...the patient's mind, even in its damaged condition, was making desicisions about whether to live or die. Somewhere in Prince Saito's subconscious he fought on, perhaps out of a powerful desire to be wit his courtesan harlot again..."

Frank's own battle with cancer.
Brian's own feelings regarding Theresa.

"He even had an ultra-high-security treasure room in the villa, where he kept priceless jewels, manuscripts, and artworks. Undoubtedly part of his mind wanted to go in there again, and wallow in his wealth. The way he had it piled up in there..."

Manuscripts or priceless jewels.

"One day the treasure room, like everything else, would belong to her, so she ignored it for the moment. There were easier riches to take."

"Her father had done exceedingly well as a merchant prince; few had ever done better. Francella only had one regret: she wished she could bottle him up and let him continue making business decisions for her-perhaps as a sentient robot that was completely under her control and had her father's mind. Or a disembodied brain that did what she told it to do and just kept making more and more money for her. Yes, that would be perfect."

The Legends of Dune series.

Chapter Twenty-Seven, page 197-198.

"I...I just wanted to offer my condolences for your loss."
Unaffected by the deep sadness on the face of the blonde woman, Francella shouted at her, " You were his whore, but I am his heir. Now get out."

The blonde woman is Theresa.
Francella is of course Brian.


So, so true. If the poor cow was actually famous he'd be airing his family's dirty laundy on Oprah.


I was thinking something similar.
I wonder if Brian would've had the same issues if his father wasn't famous.
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 30 Apr 2010 01:06

Maybe, maybe not. But for one thing he'd have had to work for a living all his life and wouldn't have had as much free time to worry over and bitch about it. ;)

For another, none of us would have ever heard of him or cared! :P

Not that we really care all that much now, as it is. :laughing:
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Re: The Briancella Theory

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SandChigger wrote:Not that we really care all that much now, as it is. :laughing:

Yet this literary psychoanalysis thread is quite lengthy, is it not?
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 02 May 2010 22:09

True, but I really don't care in the sense of feeling bad for the discomfort or unhappiness of another human being. To the contrary, I derive much amusement and, actually, a deep satisfaction from the knowledge that Brian Herbert is a weak, seriously messed-up individual. :)
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandRider » 02 May 2010 23:32

amen, brother.
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby inhuien » 03 May 2010 07:06

Yeah, I blame the parents.

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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby lotek » 03 May 2010 07:26

i blame it on the boogie
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby Tleszer » 03 May 2010 09:06

I blame rock 'n' roll.
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby Bijaz » 03 May 2010 10:53

Drugs, fisting and rock n roll irreversibly messed up Brian.
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 03 May 2010 11:18

I blame Freak's parents. :lol:

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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby MrFlibble » 03 May 2010 11:39

SandChigger wrote:To the contrary, I derive much amusement and, actually, a deep satisfaction from the knowledge that Brian Herbert is a weak, seriously messed-up individual. :)

Hehe, I guess Facebook and Twitter are like candy stores to you, then :lol: Brian... and millions of other people, eh? :wink:
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby Mr. Teg » 03 May 2010 19:47

MrFlibble wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Not that we really care all that much now, as it is. :laughing:

Yet this literary psychoanalysis thread is quite lengthy, is it not?


In the words of Saboteur Extraordinaire McKie, "We do keep entertainment in mind."
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 04 May 2010 05:03

MrFlibble wrote:Hehe, I guess Facebook and Twitter are like candy stores to you, then :lol: Brian... and millions of other people, eh? :wink:

LOL. I'm afraid I haven't the time to worry over the Messed-Up Millions! :lol: Just a few well-chosen hacks and whackjobs. ;)
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby inhuien » 04 May 2010 05:59

MrFlibble, you spoiling' for a fight, or you just feeling antsy these days?

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inhuien wrote:MrFlibble, you spoiling' for a fight, or you just feeling antsy these days?


Edging towards the closed fist rather than the open hand?
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby lotek » 04 May 2010 08:48

please no more hell hole jokes :lol:
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby MrFlibble » 04 May 2010 10:42

Mr. Teg wrote:
MrFlibble wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Not that we really care all that much now, as it is. :laughing:

Yet this literary psychoanalysis thread is quite lengthy, is it not?


In the words of Saboteur Extraordinaire McKie, "We do keep entertainment in mind."

I've only read The Tactful Saboteur, this quote seems to come from somewhere else.

inhuien wrote:MrFlibble, you spoiling' for a fight, or you just feeling antsy these days?

Nah, I'd had a sleepless night and posted whatever came to my mind :D No offense really :)

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MrFlibble wrote:Hehe, I guess Facebook and Twitter are like candy stores to you, then :lol: Brian... and millions of other people, eh? :wink:

LOL. I'm afraid I haven't the time to worry over the Messed-Up Millions! :lol: Just a few well-chosen hacks and whackjobs. ;)

Pah, KJA is just a wimpy schoolkid compared to Anatoly Fomenko :lol: What KJA does to Dune, Fomenko in his New Chronology attempts - and at a much greater scale and with a much greater arrogance (and incompetence) - to do to History and Linguistics.
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 04 May 2010 11:22

Oh, bloody hell:
Fomenko claims that he has discovered that many historical events do not correspond mathematically with the dates they are supposed to have occurred on. He asserts from this that all of ancient history (including the history of Greece, Rome, and Egypt) is just a reflection of events that occurred in the Middle Ages and that all of Chinese and Arab history are fabrications of 17th and 18th century Jesuits.

And this nutjob is allowed to teach at MSU? :roll:
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby Bijaz » 04 May 2010 21:21

lotek wrote:MrFlibble, you spoiling' for a fight, or you just feeling antsy these days?

Mr. Teg wrote:Edging towards the closed fist rather than the open hand?

lotek wrote:please no more hell hole jokes :lol:


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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby MrFlibble » 05 May 2010 08:18

SandChigger wrote:And this nutjob is allowed to teach at MSU? :roll:

Well, he's teaching math, which he's supposedly good at (he didn't become and Academician for his pseudo-history BS either). And those math guys often tend to be quite crazy (no offence anyone! in case some math guys are around :D)

On the other hand, there's an opinion that ATF (yeah, we call him ATF) is a large-scale troll of the scientific community, and he's just doing that for the lulz. People who know him say that the used to enjoy playing practical jokes of such kind on his students already when he was a young lecturer, so perhaps Perestroika just gave him a chance to do it big time :lol: The more amazing thing is how many people, even well-educated (although not in historical science or linguistics) fall for the sheer idiocy ATF and his collaborators (also mathematicians) write in their books. His linguistic escapades are not mentioned in the Wikipedia article, since he doesn't aim for linguistics as much as for the "traditional" historical science, and probably has a very vague notion, if any, of what linguistics actually is. Nevertheless, ATF has devised a variety of "linguistic" "methods" (all of them completely moronic) he frequently resorts to when he needs to conjure "evidence" in support of his droolings. A detailed article by Andrey Zaliznyak can be found here (in Russian).
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 05 May 2010 09:12

If HE's just doing it "for the lulz" and smart people are still stupid enough to fall for it, I could kinda get into it. :lol:

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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby MrFlibble » 07 May 2010 08:05

SandChigger wrote:If HE's just doing it "for the lulz" and smart people are still stupid enough to fall for it, I could kinda get into it. :lol:

I'm not sure people who fall for it are smart - rather, some of them are quite well educated and are supposed to know better than believe whatever BS ATF produces. The problem is that when it comes to linguistics, the vast majority of people who are not specialists in the field display utter ignorance and are inclined to readily accept whatever nonsense they are told. Sometimes I feel linguistics is a kind of marginal, esoteric discipline... :-/

There are other linguo-freaks as well, whose "theories" probably aren't even worth mentioning since they verge on complete insanity (that can really, really give you the creeps sometimes). Compared to them, ATF might very well turn out to be a guy whose original intention was to fool everyone around. Which does not excuse his arrogance and ignorance, of course.

One more link: transcript of Andrey Zaliznyak's public lecture against "amateur linguistics"

I also apologize for possibly steering the thread (somewhat) off-topic :)
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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 07 May 2010 10:17

MrFlibble wrote:The problem is that when it comes to linguistics, the vast majority of people who are not specialists in the field display utter ignorance and are inclined to readily accept whatever nonsense they are told.

That ignorance and gullibility has also been characteristic of many WITHIN the field as well, if Chomsky's rise to preeminence is any indicator. ;)

And it sounds like AFT has simply followed Chomsky's model in playing on the general public ignorance to parlay his reputation in one field into an aura of authority in another.

It's really quite appalling, but you have to admire the chutzpah. :lol:

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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby lotek » 07 May 2010 10:20

Chutzpah (pronounced /ˈhʊtspə/) is the quality of audacity, for good or for bad. The word derives from the Hebrew word ḥuṣpâ (חֻצְפָּה), meaning "insolence", "audacity", and "impertinence." The modern English usage of the word has taken on a wider spectrum of meaning, however, having been popularized through vernacular use in film, literature, and television.


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Re: The Briancella Theory

Postby SandChigger » 07 May 2010 10:25

Yes. Seemed like a good word to use given the subject: Chomsky's one of those amusing self-hating Jews. (At least, he hates Israel and has defended a French Holocaust denier.)