Interesting review of KJA's work

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Hunchback Jack » 21 May 2010 13:13

I think by "reading Dune once a year", he actually means "watch the Lynch film once a year". After all, he was first inspired to write SF after seeing the War of the Worlds movie, so he clearly finds it hard to grasp that whole movie/book distinction.

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

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I think only Becca can quite grasp how much of a knob he is...
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Ampoliros » 21 May 2010 17:04

Wasn't there a post or blog somewhere where KJA said he had sent some of his early writing to Frank to be critiqued?
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Robspierre » 21 May 2010 17:46

Ampoliros wrote:Wasn't there a post or blog somewhere where KJA said he had sent some of his early writing to Frank to be critiqued?



I believe you are referring to the little thing he wrote in House Atriedes where he stated that when he finally had enough cred to be rated a pro for the SFWA. He wanted to send Frank his first novel but learned to late that Frank had passed away before Keith had become a "Pro."

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby lotek » 21 May 2010 18:38

Robspierre wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:Wasn't there a post or blog somewhere where KJA said he had sent some of his early writing to Frank to be critiqued?



I believe you are referring to the little thing he wrote in House Atriedes where he stated that when he finally had enough cred to be rated a pro for the SFWA. He wanted to send Frank his first novel but learned to late that Frank had passed away before Keith had become a "Pro."

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yeah how fucking convenient... "I swear I would have done it, and he would have told me I was the best suited to carry on his work, in fact he told me(if I had sent my dri.. novel)that only I... I! Keith Anderson; who encompasses his Doon... yeah I am pretty sure he said that had I not waited until he was dead not to send him my story."

or something that makes even less sense...
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby merkin muffley » 21 May 2010 18:48

lotek wrote:
Robspierre wrote: He wanted to send Frank his first novel but learned to late that Frank had passed away before Keith had become a "Pro."

Rob

yeah how fucking convenient... "I swear I would have done it, and he would have told me I was the best suited to carry on his work, in fact he told me(if I had sent my dri.. novel)that only I... I! Keith Anderson; who encompasses his Doon... yeah I am pretty sure he said that had I not waited until he was dead not to send him my story."

or something that makes even less sense...



Yeah, KJA sounds a little bit like Harwood there. I think they share a low regard for the truth. No wonder they got along so well, until the Great Schism that shook the internet to its very foundation. Twitter will never be the same again...
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Tleszer » 21 May 2010 22:48

Robspierre wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:Wasn't there a post or blog somewhere where KJA said he had sent some of his early writing to Frank to be critiqued?



I believe you are referring to the little thing he wrote in House Atriedes where he stated that when he finally had enough cred to be rated a pro for the SFWA. He wanted to send Frank his first novel but learned to late that Frank had passed away before Keith had become a "Pro."

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But... he is a "Pro." He and his "pimp" earn lots of money for the "work" he "does."
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Lundse » 22 May 2010 01:42

Ampoliros wrote:Wasn't there a post or blog somewhere where KJA said he had sent some of his early writing to Frank to be critiqued?


Couldn't you just imagine this? Frank having read KJA and all the purple-prose, repetitive repetitions and plots going nowhere for no reason? He would have had a fit...

Tleszer wrote:But... he is a "Pro." He and his "pimp" earn lots of money for the "work" he "does."


This, I realize, is the argument against the "KJA is a bestselling author so obviously he is doing something right..."-line of... I hesitate to call it argument. If financial succes is the measure of any endeavour, then a whore, and her pimp, must be applauded too. And the drug-dealer, software patent lawyer, hit man, etc...

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby SandChigger » 22 May 2010 02:38

Lundse wrote:If financial succes is the measure of any endeavour, then a whore, and her pimp, must be applauded too. And the drug-dealer, software patent lawyer, hit man, etc...

Now THERE's a quotable quote.
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Omphalos » 22 May 2010 04:27

Stop pickin' on lawyers, you bunch of ungrateful, miscreant bastages.

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby SandChigger » 22 May 2010 07:21

I removed the lawyer reference when I reposted it on Twitter.

I think. :P

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Mr. Teg » 22 May 2010 08:46

Omphalos wrote:Stop pickin' on lawyers, you bunch of ungrateful, miscreant bastages.


Or he'll sue your ass :D
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Robspierre » 22 May 2010 15:07

Found it! Here is the entire little blurb from the back of House Atreides.
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I never met Frank Herbert, but I knew him well through the words he wrote. I read DUNE when I was ten years old, and reread it several times over the years; then I read and enjoyed all of the sequels. GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE, hot off the presses, was the very first hardcover novel I ever purchased (I was a freshman in college). Then I worked my way through every single one of his other novels, diligently checking off the titles on the "Other Books By" page in each new novel. THE GREEN BRAIN, HELLSTROM'S HIVE, THE SANTAROGA BARRIER, THE EYES OF HEISENBERG, DESTINATION: VOID, THE JESUS INCIDENT, and more and more and more.
To me, Frank Herbert was the pinnacle of what science fiction could be -- thought-provoking, ambitious, epic in scope, well-researched, and entertaining - - all in the same book. Other science fiction novels succeed in one or more of these areas, but DUNE did it all. By the time I was five years old, I had decided I wanted to be a writer. By the time I was twelve, I knew I wanted to write books like the ones Frank Herbert wrote.
Throughout college, I published a handful of short stories, then began to write my first novel, RESURRECTION, INC., a complex tale set in a future world where the dead are reanimated to serve the living. The novel was full of social commentary, religious threads, a large cast of characters, and (yes) a wheels- within-wheels plot. By this time, I had enough writing credits to join the Science Fiction Writers of America . . . and one of the main benefits was the Membership Directory. There, before my eyes, was the home address of Frank Herbert. I promised myself that I would send him the very first signed copy.
The novel sold almost immediately to Signet Books . . . but before its publication date, Frank Herbert died.


I had avidly read the last two Dune books, HERETICS and CHAPTERHOUSE, in which Herbert had launched a vast new saga that built to a fever pitch, literally destroyed all life on the planet Arrakis, and left the human race on the brink of extinction -- that's where Frank Herbert left the story upon his death. I knew that his son Brian was also a professional writer with several science fiction novels under his belt. I waited, and hoped, that Brian would complete a draft manuscript, or at least flesh out an outline his father had left behind. Someday soon, I hoped, faithful DUNE readers would have a resolution to this cliffhanger.

Meanwhile, my own writing career flourished. I was nominated for the Bram Stoker Award and the Nebula Award; two of my thrillers were bought or optioned by major studios in Hollywood. While I continued to write original novels, I also found a great deal of success in dipping my toes into established universes, such as Star Wars and X-Files (both of which I love). I learned how to study the rules and the characters, wrap my imagination around them, and tell my own stories within the boundaries and expectations of the readers.
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It had been ten years since Frank Herbert's death, and by now I had pretty much decided that DUNE was always going to end on a cliffhanger. I still very much wanted to know how the story wrapped up . . . even if I had to make it up myself.
I had never met Brian Herbert before, had no reason to expect he would even consider my suggestion. But DUNE was my favorite science fiction novel of all time, and I could think of nothing I would rather work on. I decided it would do no harm to ask . . . .
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby MrFlibble » 22 May 2010 15:23

The text doesn't feel like KJA's usual style. Either there was heavy editing, or someone else wrote it? :|
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby TheDukester » 22 May 2010 15:45

It feels like it to me.

Here's how I can tell: I see lots of "I" ... "me" ... "my" ... "mine."

How I can tell, part II: Ander-asshole turns a tribute to Frank Herbert into a tribute to Ander-asshole.
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby SandChigger » 22 May 2010 20:47

He planned to send Frank Herbert a signed copy of his first book. :laughing:

Then later he planned to ask for a blurb quote!

You KNOW that was the plan! Plans within plans within plans! I bet he even dreamed of co-authoring something with FH! :shock:

Then FH up and died on him and ruined it all! :(

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Postby Omphalos » 22 May 2010 20:50

SandChigger wrote:He planned to send Frank Herbert a signed copy of his first book. :laughing:

Then later he planned to ask for a blurb quote!

You KNOW that was the plan! Plans within plans within plans! I bet he even dreamed of co-authoring something with FH! :shock:

Then FH up and died on him and ruined it all! :(

:lol:


Sounds like Frank knew what he was doing.

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby SandChigger » 22 May 2010 20:55

Eeew.

Kevin J. Anderson: The "writer" Frank Herbert died to avoid knowing.

OK, I'm off to Twitter now! :P
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Hunchback Jack » 23 May 2010 00:01

TheDukester wrote:How I can tell, part II: Ander-asshole turns a tribute to Frank Herbert into a tribute to Ander-asshole.


Ain't it the truth. And remember, this is KJA on his best behaviour, not the unfiltered version we see on Twitter, who types in the first thing that comes into his mind.

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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Serkanner » 23 May 2010 02:13

I had avidly read the last two Dune books, HERETICS and CHAPTERHOUSE, in which Herbert had launched a vast new saga that built to a fever pitch, literally destroyed all life on the planet Arrakis, and left the human race on the brink of extinction -- that's where Frank Herbert left the story upon his death.
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Using his own words it is now safe to say: he indeed doesn't even understand the core idea of Dune.
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby SandChigger » 23 May 2010 03:03

At the very least it shows that he has never understood the point of The Scattering.
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Re: Interesting review of KJA's work

Postby Robspierre » 23 May 2010 03:42

Serkanner wrote:
I had avidly read the last two Dune books, HERETICS and CHAPTERHOUSE, in which Herbert had launched a vast new saga that built to a fever pitch, literally destroyed all life on the planet Arrakis, and left the human race on the brink of extinction -- that's where Frank Herbert left the story upon his death.
-Kevin J. Anderson


Using his own words it is now safe to say: he indeed doesn't even understand the core idea of Dune.



Or, he and Brian at this point had already decided to introduce their own creations into the Dune Universe. They didn't care about what came before, just what they introduced and rewrote. Why else start out with rewriting the the story right before Frank's work began? And now we see them rewriting more of Frank's work with this Heroes of Dune shit.

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Serkanner wrote:
I had avidly read the last two Dune books, HERETICS and CHAPTERHOUSE, in which Herbert had launched a vast new saga that built to a fever pitch, literally destroyed all life on the planet Arrakis, and left the human race on the brink of extinction -- that's where Frank Herbert left the story upon his death.
-Kevin J. Anderson


Using his own words it is now safe to say: he indeed doesn't even understand the core idea of Dune.

Agreed. "Teh Dune needz moar robotz!" :puke:

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TheDukester wrote:How I can tell, part II: Ander-asshole turns a tribute to Frank Herbert into a tribute to Ander-asshole.


Ain't it the truth. And remember, this is KJA on his best behaviour, not the unfiltered version we see on Twitter, who types in the first thing that comes into his mind.

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Postby Superdog » 23 May 2010 12:59

I recently discovered one of the worst star wars stories I ever read was written by KJA. I pretty much absorbed un-critically any Star Wars fiction I could find as a kid. There was one story that always stuck out as being completely off the wall. A quick search of wikipedia finds that it was written by KJA.

The story involves IG-88, robot bounty hunter, as has his soul transferd into the core of the second Death Star as part of a plot to take over the galaxy. He is of course foiled by Wedge and Lando blowing up the Death Star. Even as a kid I thought this was a bit much.


"Therefore I Am: The Tale of IG-88" by Kevin J. Anderson