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House Atreides Concerns

Postby aethereon » 25 Aug 2010 13:27

I just finished listening to House Atreides (technical second complete read).

While it's fresh in memory - I have a few questions:

Firstly (most important), the Harkonnens scored this super secret no-field tech from a Richesian engineer, right? The engineer explained an adjustment to holtzman fields that allowed the nullentropy effect.

Rabban used a small vessel contained within a no-field to frame the Atreides and smoke some Tleilaxu vessels. Before Rabban did this, it was explicitly explained that a holtzman field (shields, in the particular case) interferes with the foldspace engines, and even disrupts the navigator's prescient trance. HOW CAN I BE TOLD IN DETAIL HOW HOLTZMAN FIELDS DISRUPT ONE ANOTHER IN ONE BREATH, AND YET ONE REMAINS UNDETECTABLE IN ANOTHER?

Secondly, why didn't the Harkonnens use this badass super-tech to smoke Caladan (or even Katain) directly, undetected? As overcomplicated as things in these prequels tend to be without justification of self-sustained substance - its no surprise.

Finally, and not that it matters an iota, with deep respect to the nullentropy tech at Harkonnen hands before Paul was even born, how were the events of the original Dune even possible? How can the Harkonnens be formidable at all at this point, with tech that trumps ALL?

Other immediate concerns appear to have been addressed by others.

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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby Sev » 25 Aug 2010 16:49

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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Aug 2010 17:07

Do you really want these questions answered or are you just venting? :lol:
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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby dunaddict » 30 Aug 2010 12:08

HOW CAN I BE TOLD IN DETAIL HOW HOLTZMAN FIELDS DISRUPT ONE ANOTHER IN ONE BREATH, AND YET ONE REMAINS UNDETECTABLE IN ANOTHER?

Because they(them!, those 2, the terrible twins) never think beyond the next word. They also tend to forget the last page they typewritered/dictaphoned.

Why didn't the Harkonnens use this badass super-tech to smoke Caladan (or even Katain) directly, undetected?

The Baron's ST-Disease must have affected his braincells. Couldn't figure out how to use it.

With deep respect to the nullentropy tech at Harkonnen hands before Paul was even born, how were the events of the original Dune even possible? How can the Harkonnens be formidable at all at this point, with tech that trumps ALL?

The Harkonnens as portrayed in the prequels are a bunch of crazy savage dummies. They probably forgot all about it.


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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby SandRider » 30 Aug 2010 14:20

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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby SandChigger » 31 Aug 2010 04:01

Well, I'm rather attached to my sanity, such as it is, so how about changing that to

"Abandon all expectations of sanity in these books, ye who..."? ;)
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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby Serkanner » 31 Aug 2010 04:39

SandChigger wrote:Well, I'm rather attached to my sanity, such as it is, so how about changing that to

"Abandon all expectations of sanity in these books, ye who..."? ;)


I'm not sure why but I really did read insanity ...
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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby SandChigger » 31 Aug 2010 08:33

Which time, the first occurrence, the second (in the quote), or both? :P
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby Freakzilla » 02 Sep 2010 12:14

That's a Miles Teg quote and I'm not changing it. :snooty:
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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby Serkanner » 02 Sep 2010 13:56

SandChigger wrote:Which time, the first occurrence, the second (in the quote), or both? :P

The first of course :P
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

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Re: House Atreides Concerns

Postby aethereon » 03 Sep 2010 15:33

@freak: venting. thx.


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