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Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 08:54
by dunecat10193
First I want to ask if the word Krazilec is the official term for the "battle at the end of ages".
So assuming that it is, I ask if you are familiar with the Krazilec that was foretold in the Lord of the Rings. It's called the Dagor Dagorath. Here is a link http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath.
In this battle, everyone from all the eras of lord of the rings return to have one final epic battle that determines who has the right to reshape middle earth. Essentially the idea is very much similar to the Krazilec of Dune.
In lord of the rings, the original dark lord returns, just as Omnius returns, though that idea is cliche and easy to meet. What I find interesting is that the tleilaxu gholas and clones provides the same opportunity to bring all dead characters back, just as lord of the rings would but with their world of magic.
I find the similarities between the two krazilecs fascinating, though Kevin j Anderson can still suck my balls, as can super Duncan Idaho...

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 09:21
by Freakzilla
dunecat10193 wrote:First I want to ask if the word Krazilec is the official term for the "battle at the end of ages".


Kralizec: The Typhoon Struggle, the battle at the end of the universe.

So assuming that it is, I ask if you are familiar with the Krazilec that was foretold in the Lord of the Rings. It's called the Dagor Dagorath. Here is a link http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath.
In this battle, everyone from all the eras of lord of the rings return to have one final epic battle that determines who has the right to reshape middle earth. Essentially the idea is very much similar to the Krazilec of Dune.
In lord of the rings, the original dark lord returns, just as Omnius returns, though that idea is cliche and easy to meet. What I find interesting is that the tleilaxu gholas and clones provides the same opportunity to bring all dead characters back, just as lord of the rings would but with their world of magic.
I find the similarities between the two krazilecs fascinating, though Kevin j Anderson can still suck my balls, as can super Duncan Idaho...


OK.

Kralizec in Frank Herbert's Dune series is the 'Famine Times' and 'The Scattering', ending with the return of the sandworms on Rakis.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 09:43
by dunecat10193
That totally makes more sense. Puts humanity at a fresh start.
So does that mean Brian and Kevin defined the Krazilec as what dune 7 was about? Or am I just misusing the word all over the place?

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 10:21
by Freakzilla
dunecat10193 wrote:That totally makes more sense. Puts humanity at a fresh start.
So does that mean Brian and Kevin defined the Krazilec as what dune 7 was about? Or am I just misusing the word all over the place?


I wouldn't dwell on that too much. What FH wrote is obviously of no real concern to them and there books have very little to do with the originals other than places and names.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 18:21
by Mr. Teg
SiFI Buzz
April 7, 2012

In conjunction with the upcoming movie The Hobbit, Kevin J Anderson has recently signed a contract with the Tolkien Estate to write the sequel to the famous book by JRR Tolkien exploring the gap between the The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. "I was always fascinated by the cliffhanger at the end of the Hobbit," lamented Mr. Anderson. "Tolkien wrote that Bilbo and Gandalf had many adventures* before his return to the Shire after the Battle of Five Armies, but he never explained or hinted what took place." Apparently, in the works, will be a cd containing modern rock renditions of poetry found in the original book. "I really want to help make this more accessible to everyone today. The poetic rhymes scattered throught out the original book were simply too time consuming and difficult turning off alot of younger readers. Rebecca was a big help with the lyrics of my last studio project and I know she will do a fantastic job with this one. Really, we're the biggest fans of Tolkien's work."

*p. 277, Chapter; The Return Journey, The Hobbit, "He had many adventures and hardships before he got back.The wild was still the wild, and there were many other things in it in those days besides goblins..."

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 20:07
by ULFsurfer
Don't know if this is a joke or not, but if it isn't KJA can go destroy the LotR universe for all I care and hopefully leave the Duniverse alone.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 May 2012 23:48
by Ampoliros
I'm sure Teg is having a go at us. A good one too.

I'd rather see KJA try and write in the Warhammer 40k universe. While he would be universally reviled for anything he did to LOTR, fucking up the Warhammer 40k universe will get you shiv'd.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 30 May 2012 01:40
by Omphalos
Ampoliros wrote:I'm sure Teg is having a go at us. A good one too.

I'd rather see KJA try and write in the Warhammer 40k universe. While he would be universally reviled for anything he did to LOTR, fucking up the Warhammer 40k universe will get you shiv'd.


I totally do not get what the damn big deal about Warammer 40K is.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 30 May 2012 04:57
by lotek
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Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 30 May 2012 05:14
by Lundse
An very apropos repost:

Lundse wrote:If Christopher Tolkien had the same moral fiber as Brian Herbert and the rest of the HLP, and 'new books came out':


Imagine being told that the forging of the ring was really not a plan of Saurons, he just helped - and it was really for the good, because it was needed to defeat these mega-spiders which were somehow related to Shelob (in a way inconsistent with what we learn in the Silmarillion). Gandalf is there, and fails to recognize the ring of power, despite far more obvious hints than he gets in LoTR.
Meanwhile, a hobbit named Norma becomes a valar because she dies horribly due to a spider-bite, returns comes to Middle Earth and walks around a bit, inventing everything interesting you ever hear of in LoTR.

Roughly a thousand pages are then published on the forebears of Bilbo, Aragorn, Gimli, et al. - most of whom meet each other at some point and eventually defeat the giant spiders again, in a scene having no thematic content or continuity with the Tolkien books. You are told to believe this was never written down, and forgotten by Gandalf, who was obviously there too.

Then, you are told that after the ring was dropped in the fire of mount doom, Gandalf reforged it as a really, über-powerful ring, which was not bad at all because now Sauron was gone. And they use this ring to battle the Balrog/spider fire-arachnid hybrids (which had been breeding underground with anyone knowing about it), enlisting the help of every single character known from the books - bringing them back from across the sea if need be. And the evil spider-queen is defeated by the aforementioned hobbit/valar with the flick of a sword and then everyone goes to the sunlit lands and lives forever with her misunderstood spider-children whom Legolas adopts.

And finally, horribly written stories come out about how Gandalf arrived in Middle Earth and Saruman went bad (which contradict LoTR). Then one on Aragorn and Arwen falling in love (with explicit sex scenes). And one on Bilbo's dealings in the shire, adopting Frodo, etc.

With no bloody end in sight!

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 30 May 2012 10:52
by Ampoliros
Omphalos wrote:
Ampoliros wrote:I'm sure Teg is having a go at us. A good one too.

I'd rather see KJA try and write in the Warhammer 40k universe. While he would be universally reviled for anything he did to LOTR, fucking up the Warhammer 40k universe will get you shiv'd.


I totally do not get what the damn big deal about Warammer 40K is.


That's more of a joke, as most WH40k fans were English football hooligans until it came to the states. Now its pretty much the same idiots who get excited about a new Star Wars book, or Gears of War novels.

I think LOTR is safe from KJA. He'd get way to much attention, and the press would love to roast anyone over this.

Re: Lord of the Rings

Posted: 29 Jul 2014 21:51
by Mr. Melange
Lundse wrote:An very apropos repost:

Lundse wrote:If Christopher Tolkien had the same moral fiber as Brian Herbert and the rest of the HLP, and 'new books came out':


Imagine being told that the forging of the ring was really not a plan of Saurons, he just helped - and it was really for the good, because it was needed to defeat these mega-spiders which were somehow related to Shelob (in a way inconsistent with what we learn in the Silmarillion). Gandalf is there, and fails to recognize the ring of power, despite far more obvious hints than he gets in LoTR.
Meanwhile, a hobbit named Norma becomes a valar because she dies horribly due to a spider-bite, returns comes to Middle Earth and walks around a bit, inventing everything interesting you ever hear of in LoTR.

Roughly a thousand pages are then published on the forebears of Bilbo, Aragorn, Gimli, et al. - most of whom meet each other at some point and eventually defeat the giant spiders again, in a scene having no thematic content or continuity with the Tolkien books. You are told to believe this was never written down, and forgotten by Gandalf, who was obviously there too.

Then, you are told that after the ring was dropped in the fire of mount doom, Gandalf reforged it as a really, über-powerful ring, which was not bad at all because now Sauron was gone. And they use this ring to battle the Balrog/spider fire-arachnid hybrids (which had been breeding underground with anyone knowing about it), enlisting the help of every single character known from the books - bringing them back from across the sea if need be. And the evil spider-queen is defeated by the aforementioned hobbit/valar with the flick of a sword and then everyone goes to the sunlit lands and lives forever with her misunderstood spider-children whom Legolas adopts.

And finally, horribly written stories come out about how Gandalf arrived in Middle Earth and Saruman went bad (which contradict LoTR). Then one on Aragorn and Arwen falling in love (with explicit sex scenes). And one on Bilbo's dealings in the shire, adopting Frodo, etc.

With no bloody end in sight!


You kicked me right in the funny bone... And in my heart. Thank you.