...if I did not understand the wish to abuse Byron before, I certainly do now. Instead, I will show this little example and let it speak for itself.
Lets just say that if part of his job-description is to deflect criticism without confronting it, he is doing a marvelous job!
boardadmin wrote: lundse2 wrote:
boardadmin wrote:How old is the Jihad by the time of Alia's reign? And the Baron's? Would they remember what the Jihad was about and how and whom it was fought by. That's not very realistic.
Pretty damn old.
Exactly. And what happens to history as time passes?
Depends. Some things are forgotten. Things like the near-annihilation of mankind is not; not without good reason.
lundse2 wrote:Luckily, they have the O.C bible, which was written just after the Jihad. That might have given a mention of a reason or two behind the jihad and the prohibits which _everyone is still following_.
On what? Are you denying the OC bible exists at the time of Dune? That it was written shortly after the jihad? That it contained religious commandments and information on the Jihad?
Just let me know on which of these points you would like a quote.
Or are you speculating that the religious manual written to help mankind come together after the great upheaval that the Jihad was, does not mention in any way the reason behind the Jihad? That somewhere among its multitude of pages on why 'man may not be replaced' and the like, there is no single mention of Omnius?
lundse2 wrote:Also, Alia has this Other Memory going for her...
Are you frigging kidding me?!? Do you want a quote for Alia having Other Memory?
lundse2 wrote:Very odd that she has contemporary memories of people being killed and enslaved by an AI gone rogue, but still believes that 'you could never distrust a machine'. (I feel like reminding, at this point, that whatever other modalities she had toward this machine, she believes that it would not make sense to distrust it.
Alia is an abomination. The Baron is using her as a manipulative tool. You're going to trust these two?
For the love of god, I just (as a courtesy) included a note that her desire for the machine is another thing from her knowledge about it. And I have told< you this before, many times. Do you not agree that wanting an icecream and believing it is strawberry-flavoured are two different things?
Alia was a 'compliant' machine. The reason for that desire is that 'you could never distrust a machine'. We agree that her desire is twisted, morally corrupt and heavily influenced by the baron. But there is no single reason, from a reading of any of Frank work, to believe that she is mistaken that a machine, once aquired, would be compliant and trustworthy.
I have asked you before to back this up. Quotes please, as they say. Give me just one hint that Alia is being fooled with regards to her Other Memory. One hint that she is remembering wrong, or her memory is being manipulated. Frank never questioned the precision of Other Memory, only its implications.