For The Record

    Abandon all sanity ye who enter here

Moderators: Omphalos, Freakzilla, ᴶᵛᵀᴬ

User avatar
DuneFishUK
Posts: 1991
Joined: 25 May 2008 14:14
Location: Cool Britannia
Contact:

Postby DuneFishUK » 08 Dec 2008 17:13

yup - 2001 Best Novel (aka the one Dune, Stranger in a Strange Land, The Dispossessed and nothing written by Kevin J Anderson has won)

User avatar
Omphalos
Inglorious Bastard
Posts: 6677
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 11:07
Location: The Mighty Central Valley of California
Contact:

Postby Omphalos » 08 Dec 2008 18:33

I have never read any Harry Potter books, but still, that one went right over my head. I remember some talk at the time where people thought it deserved because it brought so many readers to the genres.

User avatar
Robspierre
Posts: 2161
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 10:49
Location: Cascadia

Postby Robspierre » 16 Dec 2008 01:13

Omphalos wrote:Are you talking about Westerfeld's Beauties series? Is that SF?

John C. Wright is supposed to have a winner with his YA fantasy stuff. I personally thought his SF was way, way too complicated, but I liked his short story about the royal court in space. Think it was called Guest Law or something like that.


It is the Uglies series. Genetic modification and it may be a different book but he did a take on vampires that was science fiction.

Rob

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 16 Dec 2008 22:34

I need a short synopsis of what's going on here.
This is what I've come up with:

The short story is: KJA is a Star Wars comic book hack. Brian is
essentially brain dead and has little input other than to sign the
HLP checks. Frank's Dune7 notes either don't exist or KJA didn't
use them at all. Byron Merritt (aka boardadmin) is an asshole,
who's dad married Frank's daughter. (Frank didn't like Byron, either)


What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
Robspierre
Posts: 2161
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 10:49
Location: Cascadia

Postby Robspierre » 16 Dec 2008 23:02

KJA is a hack period, don't insult the good comic book writers by lumping that piece of shit with them.

Rob

User avatar
Omphalos
Inglorious Bastard
Posts: 6677
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 11:07
Location: The Mighty Central Valley of California
Contact:

Postby Omphalos » 17 Dec 2008 00:42

Robspierre wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Are you talking about Westerfeld's Beauties series? Is that SF?

John C. Wright is supposed to have a winner with his YA fantasy stuff. I personally thought his SF was way, way too complicated, but I liked his short story about the royal court in space. Think it was called Guest Law or something like that.


It is the Uglies series. Genetic modification and it may be a different book but he did a take on vampires that was science fiction.

Rob


That's it. Uglies. I might get around to those someday.


Anda re you talking about The Empire Risen series? There are two books in that one and I have read the first half of book number one. Good stuff, but it was about undead, but I dont remember vampires. Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.

User avatar
TheDukester
Posts: 3808
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 13:44
Location: Operation Enduring Bacon
Contact:

Postby TheDukester » 17 Dec 2008 00:52

SandRider wrote:What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?

"All have sold their souls to worship at the altar of money."
"Anything I write will be remembered and listed in bibliographies on Dune for several hundred years ..." — some delusional halfwit troll.

User avatar
SandChigger
KJASF Ground Zero
Posts: 14492
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
Location: A continuing state of irritation
Contact:

Postby SandChigger » 17 Dec 2008 00:58

Omphalos wrote:Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.

:shock:

I ... nah, nope, never mind. :lol:
"Let the dead give water to the dead. As for me, it's NO MORE FUCKING TEARS!"

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 17 Dec 2008 02:01

TheDukester wrote:
SandRider wrote:What vital points have I missed or am unaware of ?

"All have sold their souls to worship at the altar of money."


right, right, raping Frank's Legacy for profit & semi-fame. 'Kay.

And the whole "Masterpiece of American Literature" thing.

I just need a short paragraph that hits all the high points.
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
Omphalos
Inglorious Bastard
Posts: 6677
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 11:07
Location: The Mighty Central Valley of California
Contact:

Postby Omphalos » 17 Dec 2008 03:25

SandChigger wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Maybe psychic vampires, not blood drinkers, but there were a resurrected family of immortals that ran the empire, and the daughter of one of them was captured by a nanotech wielding army in the beginning of one book.

:shock:

I ... nah, nope, never mind. :lol:


:lol:

Go ahead. Fire away. I didn't write the fucking thing.

User avatar
SandChigger
KJASF Ground Zero
Posts: 14492
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
Location: A continuing state of irritation
Contact:

Postby SandChigger » 17 Dec 2008 04:00

I know. I was just going to say that if that's how they described it on the cover, I would immediately lump it into my "Midget Porn" category.

(= I would only consider watching/reading it AFTER the last trump on Judgement Day had sounded. ;) )

You read some incredible (and I mean unbelievable) stuff. :lol:
"Let the dead give water to the dead. As for me, it's NO MORE FUCKING TEARS!"

User avatar
Omphalos
Inglorious Bastard
Posts: 6677
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 11:07
Location: The Mighty Central Valley of California
Contact:

Postby Omphalos » 17 Dec 2008 12:51

:lol:

You know, I only read the first third or half of the first book or so, but I kind of liked it. It actually reminded me of Dune, only with high tech. I think I said a long time ago over on DN when we were debating to to replace KJA with after the revolution that I thought this guy, Westerfeld, could handle a Dune story pretty well.

User avatar
Robspierre
Posts: 2161
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 10:49
Location: Cascadia

Postby Robspierre » 18 Dec 2008 00:43

Westerfields' vampire series starts with Peeps, heard good things about it, haven't read the Empire Risen books. Look Interesting.

Rob

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 18 Dec 2008 14:34

boardadmin wrote:
Muad'Dib56 wrote:As i was watching all of these people say how much they have been waiting for a Dune movie, i was reminded of how the BG also wanted their own KH and i thought its hilarious, cuz in a sense, the Dune movie, to us fans, is our own Kwisatz Haderach.

Dont u agree?


Or Kraz ...never mind. :lol:


What the hell does THIS mean ?
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
Omphalos
Inglorious Bastard
Posts: 6677
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 11:07
Location: The Mighty Central Valley of California
Contact:

Postby Omphalos » 18 Dec 2008 15:15

SandRider wrote:
boardadmin wrote:
Muad'Dib56 wrote:As i was watching all of these people say how much they have been waiting for a Dune movie, i was reminded of how the BG also wanted their own KH and i thought its hilarious, cuz in a sense, the Dune movie, to us fans, is our own Kwisatz Haderach.

Dont u agree?


Or Kraz ...never mind. :lol:


What the hell does THIS mean ?


Could he have meant "Kral..." for Kralizec? Probably. Perhpas the typhoon struggle is spelled Krazilec over at DN.

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 18 Dec 2008 16:26

OK. So Merritt is saying the New Movie is Kralizec? The Typhoon Struggle at the End of the Universe ?
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 18 Dec 2008 16:30

I'm still looking for that SMALL MOTE of sanity, decency and rationality
in Bryon Merritt that shows he KNOWS what's going on, and it's tearing
at his soul.
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
Tleszer
Posts: 2161
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 18:02

Postby Tleszer » 18 Dec 2008 17:45

SandRider wrote:I'm still looking for that SMALL MOTE of sanity, decency and rationality
in Bryon Merritt that shows he KNOWS what's going on, and it's tearing
at his soul.


Why? Isn't it too late for him?
DUNE, as interpreted by a blue man with a green tushie

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 18 Dec 2008 17:49

Most days I think that it is, and curse his name and damn him to hell.

Other days, I think he could save the whole thing, if he had balls enough to do it.

Which brings me all the way back around, because he's never demonstrated any backbone.
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
SandChigger
KJASF Ground Zero
Posts: 14492
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
Location: A continuing state of irritation
Contact:

Postby SandChigger » 18 Dec 2008 19:53

I always have to think, is it Krazilec or Kralizec? He obviously didn't bother to check.

Yeah, he's just commenting on the fact that most of us are pissed that Source of All Shit Kevin J. Anderson is involved with the new movie.

I wouldn't read anything more into it. Like he has inside knowledge that they're going to subliminally insert Norma into every scene. :lol:
"Let the dead give water to the dead. As for me, it's NO MORE FUCKING TEARS!"

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 26 Dec 2008 23:26

from "The Landsraad Interview" // 11 July 2002 :

In a forward to House Atreides, Brian Herbert mentions that he will use Frank Herbert’s notes to someday write a Dune 7 novel, thereby completing the storyline of Chapterhouse: Dune. Will you be involved in that project and can you share any details?

I'll definitely be writing it with him -- that was the project that originally made me contact Brian. We have the outline for the Grand Finale and how it wraps up all the storylines, so we are laying the basis for much of it in our prequels. However, the Grand Finale should really be the last one...why go back and fill in a few more holes after we write THE END?
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008

User avatar
Schu
Posts: 757
Joined: 18 Dec 2008 00:51
Location: Adelaide, Aussie
Contact:

Postby Schu » 26 Dec 2008 23:57

Not to mention why write two trilogies of unnecessary prequels (not even necessary with their mangling of FH's intentions in their sequels)?

Is there any word given to their gap-filling? Inter-quel?

User avatar
Tleszer
Posts: 2161
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 18:02

Postby Tleszer » 27 Dec 2008 00:04

Schu wrote:Not to mention why write two trilogies of unnecessary prequels (not even necessary with their mangling of FH's intentions in their sequels)?

Is there any word given to their gap-filling? Inter-quel?


Yes. Paul was the optimistic hero at the end of Dune and in Dune Messiah he's become a dark tyrant. The question they try to and fail to answer is: "How Paul became so dark?"

:roll:

Morons.

Anyone with some reading comprehension skills would have realized that Paul was never really an "optimistic" character, having always reminding himself that he has a terrible purpose and that even as the story enters into its finale Paul realizes that even without him as a person that the jihad would continue in his name.

I'll say it again even though it doesn't need repeating: they're morons.
DUNE, as interpreted by a blue man with a green tushie

User avatar
SandChigger
KJASF Ground Zero
Posts: 14492
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 22:29
Location: A continuing state of irritation
Contact:

Postby SandChigger » 27 Dec 2008 05:46

And their moron readers accept everything they say at face value.

Paul was an optimistic hero at the end of Dune. Then a dark tyrant by Messiah.

Kevin has written it. So they believe. :roll:
"Let the dead give water to the dead. As for me, it's NO MORE FUCKING TEARS!"

User avatar
SandRider
Watermaster
Posts: 6163
Joined: 05 Oct 2008 16:14
Location: In the back of your mind. Always.
Contact:

Postby SandRider » 27 Dec 2008 09:28

SandRider wrote:
from "The Landsraad Interview" // 11 July 2002 :

In a forward to House Atreides, Brian Herbert mentions that he will use Frank Herbert’s notes to someday write a Dune 7 novel, thereby completing the storyline of Chapterhouse: Dune. Will you be involved in that project and can you share any details?

I'll definitely be writing it with him -- that was the project that originally made me contact Brian. We have the outline for the Grand Finale and how it wraps up all the storylines, so we are laying the basis for much of it in our prequels. However, the Grand Finale should really be the last one...why go back and fill in a few more holes after we write THE END?


Oh, I'm sorry, the correct answer was "Money", kids; we were looking for "Money" ....
................ I exist only to amuse myself ................
ImageImage

I personally feel that this message board, Jacurutu, is full of hateful folks who don't know
how to fully interact with people.
~ "Spice Grandson" (Bryon Merrit) 08 June 2008