lotek wrote:I don't think the preeqs are a majority, it seems sales are dwindling for the mcdunes, they caught some of us unaware like me with the House series, but now the preeqs are more and more plain idiots that could not understand Dune however much they tried...
From what little I can glean, it seems that most people I ask RE Dune knows about FH Dune (1st book, or movie), and then almost exclusively the new stuff... how are preeqs defined? Does anyone have any estimates on actual numbers of preeqs and OH'ers who come out and proclaim themselves? I think also that while some idiots are immutable, most can be changed, if they are given direction by a more competent authority... imho - glass half full?
lotek wrote:Which is the reason why the trupreeq gets so angry when the utter idiocy of its heroes is methodically pointed out, because it just highlights its own inadequacies and failure to comprehend.
lotek wrote:We're talking proper idiots, and we've had a few examples here(and more generally in life, the idiots are the ones to win over if you want power and/or fame, they are numerous and easy to please).
hehehe - yea, the idiots are there, but as you said they are numerous and easy to please (although thank goodness for the dwindling sales! bodes well for Dune).
At present it seems to me that alot of sheeple are led to believe that KJA/BH are legitimately trying to write new Dune books in good faith, since the Herbert family has given this idea legitimacy. Most sheeple think that any confusion on their part may be due to their lack of a deeper understanding that KJA/BH have about the Dune universe. No matter that that is a total crock, this is what I thought myself when I started reading the new stuff - thinking that maybe I was missing something, and was not quite the avid Dune fan I thought I was. After thinking about it critically, however, fact-checking and re-reading again and again, I realized that my opinion was actually correct, and the new 'official' books were bunk, for money (or out of stupidity - I don't actually think either KJA/BH are stupid per se, but believe it is part of a plan to exclusively maximize profits, and create their own legacy using FH's coattails, which is stupid on another level). That realization pissed me off. I was actually shaking at the time, and I remember trying to explain my anger to friends, family and co-workers - who politely listened and smiled vacuously in response, to my irritiation. It was a horrible feeling, when I realized what was happening to Dune, and would continue to happen (as it has), and it really affected me deeply.
Someone who can be easily be convinced the mcdunes are shit is not a preeq, just someone who would have come to the realization sooner or later.
I mean these books are shit and only an idiot or the idiot who wrote it wouldn't admit it.
Easily convincing someone? Easy doesn't enter into the calculation, unfortunately. I believe some preeqs are not too far gone down that road. Some have spent all that money on all those books and won't admit they were wrong cause it'll make em look dumb to others, and some just don't know what we mean by great literature (lack of education), and some just need leadership, and actually agree with our points but are turned off by our rhetoric (because we're pissed) - there are a plethora of other reasons too... These facts, coupled with the fact that KJA/BH will have the legal rights to warp things for some decades to come, will lead to large numbers of new readers (many potential idiots) falling first for the crap, then some of them climbing out and rinsing off once there's another viable direction to go... I believe that's
where groups like Jacurutu come in - just by existing it provides that leadership.
Ex: You guys led me in from the cold just by being actively here, leading by example. There are others out there, still wandering - some in the KJA camp, all ignorant of what that means. Many idiots won't admit error,true, but it's hard to tell idiocy from defensive ignorance... imho
and yea - while you can't fix stupid, you can
try to mitigate the damage - although I see this community as already doing that.
- in fact - I've seen you participating in the Amazon review issue, Duke - no? (some of your comments were sweeeeet) You're actively helping to mitigate the damage... any effort at all helps, and quite a few members here have really done more than their share for the effort.