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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Seraphan » 30 Oct 2009 04:47

Whatever you do just remember, the owls are not what they seem :wink:
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby lotek » 07 Nov 2009 16:49

and his Dune doesn't seem to have that many fans after all(click on pic):

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Would you have paid for it?(if money was not an issue of course)
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Nov 2009 17:19

Hell yeah. But it looks like shit.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Seraphan » 07 Nov 2009 17:39

It would be cool for halloween :shifty:
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Redstar » 07 Nov 2009 18:10

lotek wrote:and his Dune doesn't seem to have that many fans after all

I'm a big fan of his adaptation. I just think someone should cut out a lot of the fluff. Unfortunately, adding things missing from the book would be difficult, but at least slimming it down to a better sitting-time as well as getting rid of the narm-tastic scenes could help it a lot.

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby lotek » 07 Nov 2009 18:44

Redstar wrote:
lotek wrote:and his Dune doesn't seem to have that many fans after all

I'm a big fan of his adaptation. I just think someone should cut out a lot of the fluff. Unfortunately, adding things missing from the book would be difficult, but at least slimming it down to a better sitting-time as well as getting rid of the narm-tastic scenes could help it a lot.


"cut out a lot of the fluff" that's nice way of saying cutting the BS :)
I liked a the visuals, sets and costumes which did look like the picture I had in mind when reading the books, but I believe Lynch failed(on purpose or not)to capture the essence of Dune(a daunting task indeed!)
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Nov 2009 19:01

I thought his use of rennaisance imagry to visually depict the feudal society was brilliant.

Heart plugs, cat milking, pug dogs, weirding modules... not so much.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Redstar » 07 Nov 2009 22:28

I've read that Frank especially liked the use of renaissance imagery, so that's one thing he thought was done right as well.

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby SandChigger » 08 Nov 2009 03:10

Although no one has yet explained why 238th-century Galactic Baroque should look like European (Terran) Renaissance... ;)

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Redstar » 08 Nov 2009 03:17

Because 238th-century butterfly dresses look worse.

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby SandChigger » 08 Nov 2009 04:21

It was more a time of hats and outré headdresses, actually. ;)

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Harq al Ada » 08 Nov 2009 12:57

Freakzilla wrote:Even though I didn't like his Dune effort, I'd like to see what he would have done with the next two.


I'd like to see what he could have done without interference from studio and producers. he's a bright guy, I'm sure he was able to comprehend the books' meaning.

Seraphan wrote:Mulholland Drive is a great example of that.


wasn't Mulholland Drive written originally to be a TV series and after the studio rejected it he wrote an ending? I wonder why studios even try to have him write anything for TV.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby inhuien » 08 Nov 2009 13:48

Harq al Ada wrote:wasn't Mulholland Drive written originally to be a TV series and after the studio rejected it he wrote an ending? I wonder why studios even try to have him write anything for TV.

IMDB wrote:Originally filmed in 1999 on a budget of $8 million as a made-for-TV pilot, new scenes were filmed one year later on a $7 million budget given by the French film studio Studio Canal to wrap up the open ending which had been left unresolved in the original version so that a TV series could follow.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby TheDukester » 08 Nov 2009 21:35

Harq al Ada wrote:wasn't Mulholland Drive written originally to be a TV series and after the studio rejected it he wrote an ending?

What happened to it, then? The ending, I mean? It certainly wasn't in my copy of the DVD.

That's two or so hours I want back. Not to mention Lynch's absolute last chance with me. He'll never again waste my time.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby SimonH » 08 Nov 2009 21:46

TheDukester wrote:
Harq al Ada wrote:wasn't Mulholland Drive written originally to be a TV series and after the studio rejected it he wrote an ending?

What happened to it, then? The ending, I mean? It certainly wasn't in my copy of the DVD.

That's two or so hours I want back. Not to mention Lynch's absolute last chance with me. He'll never again waste my time.


the ending was the true start. the first part was the true end. if you cut the first 2/3rds or so of the movie and put it after her masturbation scene then it makes sense.

the end is reality. the start of the movie is her fantasy of how her life would be better if she wasn't a D class actor with no prospects.

I love Lynch, but I can see how he can infuriate people.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Harq al Ada » 08 Nov 2009 22:06

SimonH wrote:I love Lynch, but I can see how he can infuriate people.


that's part of the reason I like him. and I really like his version of Dune.

anyone seen The Straight Story http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166896/ ?
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby SandChigger » 09 Nov 2009 04:51

Harq al Ada wrote:anyone seen The Straight Story http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166896/ ?

Saw a largish bit of it late one night when I was really tired. Liked what I remember seeing of it. :)

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

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SandChigger wrote:
Harq al Ada wrote:anyone seen The Straight Story http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166896/ ?

Saw a largish bit of it late one night when I was really tired. Liked what I remember seeing of it. :)


Saw it a long time ago. I remember loving it.

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Seraphan » 09 Nov 2009 14:15

I wonder why studios even try to have him write anything for TV.

Perhaps for hope of another success like Twin Peaks was. Even though that show got cancelled. Lynch asked for it though.
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Harq al Ada » 09 Nov 2009 14:52

Seraphan wrote:
I wonder why studios even try to have him write anything for TV.

Perhaps for hope of another success like Twin Peaks was. Even though that show got cancelled. Lynch asked for it though.


I was always under the impression that it was a little successful despite the networks and not as successful as it might have been at the time because they kept moving the day of the week. and after 2 seasons abc canceled it because of ratings.

it wasn't so much successful as it was a television anomaly that received a lot of attention initially but was soon corrected by abc and the majority of tv viewers. somewhat intelligent television rarely lasts especially on commercial television (the tv before cable was big).
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Seraphan » 09 Nov 2009 16:54

Harq al Ada wrote:I was always under the impression that it was a little successful despite the networks and not as successful as it might have been at the time because they kept moving the day of the week. and after 2 seasons abc canceled it because of ratings.


True, the decline of the show's ratings gave the excuse for it's cancelation but thing is, even the show's decline is somewhat Lynch's responsibility. He wussed out of the show after the identity of Laura Palmer's killer was revealed because he and Mark Frost gave in to the network's pressures.

Harq al Ada wrote:it wasn't so much successful as it was a television anomaly that received a lot of attention initially but was soon corrected by abc and the majority of tv viewers..


You're right, it was definitely an anomaly. In my point of view the show would have flourished if it were made today. Back then the majority of people watched it only because of the mystery of Laura Palmer's death. They didnt pay as much attention to the fact that the show was about the characters around her and how her death affected the whole town. The scene of her funeral should've made that clear enough.

Harq al Ada wrote: somewhat intelligent television rarely lasts especially on commercial television (the tv before cable was big)

Unfortunetly that's exactly how it is and we're full of examples of that. :(
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Redstar » 12 Nov 2009 02:23

Any idea why the Expanded Edition prologue of the Lynch adaptation says it's the year "10,192", one year later than in the Theatrical prologue?

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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby Freakzilla » 12 Nov 2009 11:30

Redstar wrote:Any idea why the Expanded Edition prologue of the Lynch adaptation says it's the year "10,192", one year later than in the Theatrical prologue?


I never noticed that. :think:
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Re: Lynch's True Intentions?

Postby halcyo » 12 Nov 2009 11:36

Just to keep us OH on our toes I guess.....