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Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby HarryCanyon » 17 Jan 2011 20:28

We all know that Herbert was influenced by world history from Caligula, Lawrence of Arabia but you don't know is that he was inspired by the Pocahontas story too.

Paul is pratically John Smith as both the Arteides and Harkonnens are the settlers who go into the new world to exploit a substance weither it be gold or spice. Chani is pratically Pocahontas as her people the freman are a mix of Native Americans and Middle-Eastern people as she has a demanding cheif of a father for Chani and Paul fall in love like John Smith and Pocahontas did. A war between the white man and the intruders are at hand then things get settled between the races of man.

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Jan 2011 20:44

Did you come up with that by yourself?
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Nekhrun » 17 Jan 2011 20:46

I'm more interested in the similarities between Dune and whatever the next movie is that you're going to tell us it's like. Also Bubble Boy.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby HarryCanyon » 17 Jan 2011 20:46

No, i have a strong belief that Herbert was also influenced by the Pocahontas story in the details i mentioned. You also know that the Freman are also similar to the Indians if you think about it and the Harkonnens are settlers.

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby SandChigger » 17 Jan 2011 20:49

Belief is nothing unless you can PROVE it. Without evidence, you have only SPECULATION.


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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Nekhrun » 17 Jan 2011 23:03

Baraka Bryan wrote:douche. the only reason it's similar is because it follows the archetypal messianic storyline. you're taking macro plot elements and assuming cause and effect, rather than recognizing common influence.

Look up Harry's posts if you want more of the same.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Freakzilla » 18 Jan 2011 03:43

Baraka Bryan wrote:douche. the only reason it's similar is because it follows the archetypal messianic storyline. you're taking macro plot elements and assuming cause and effect, rather than recognizing common influence.


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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Serkanner » 18 Jan 2011 03:48

Another of your insane theories. Keep 'm coming Harry because I am bored shitless at the office at the moment.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby lotek » 18 Jan 2011 06:20

Baraka Bryan wrote:douche. the only reason it's similar is because it follows the archetypal messianic storyline. you're taking macro plot elements and assuming cause and effect, rather than recognizing common influence.



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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby TheDukester » 18 Jan 2011 12:11

Harry, let me save you some time: if you look hard enough, everything is related to everything else.

You can trust me on this. I majored in English, so I've seen, first-hand, how artsy-fartsy students (and professors) looking to make some sort of academic "statement" (or maybe just desperately late turning in a paper) can link any one item to any other item.

So just get it out of your system, because the whole exercise is entirely meaningless. Wolverine can be linked to Shakespeare; Xena, Warrior Princess is clearly related to Chaucer's Canterbury Tales; Ghostbusters is related to the Declaration of Independence; and it's patently obvious that Frank Herbert was influenced by the early work of Walt Disney, particularly the Steamboat Willie shorts.

I'll repeat: everything is related to everything else. Provided you're a big enough douche-nozzle, of course.

Also, your fake Asperger's Syndrome is pretty fucking annoying.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby merkin muffley » 18 Jan 2011 12:18

Obviously, Thufir Hawat is Rain Man and Paul Atreides is Charlie Babbitt.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby D Pope » 18 Jan 2011 13:54

Have you seen the Pocahontas/Avatar synopsis? Amazing and funny!

http://www.slashfilm.com/lol-james-came ... pochontas/

The best thing about looking here for the synopsis, harry, is that the whole arguement is played out in the fifty or so comments below.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinions, in fact, good for you if you really are trying to think for yourself, but the Dukester is right on the money with this one, stretch your imagination and there's nothing that isn't related to something.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby SandRider » 18 Jan 2011 14:57

for a minute there, I had been worried that Harry had left us ...

I'm a good mood today, so I'll be indulgent ... for a moment; then, it's back under the rock with you ...

as has been stated, you've pointed out (weak) common plot elements between (I'm assuming) the Disney-Princess movie
(which IS NOT a prime source for reference material for Jamestown, BTW) and Frank's Dune - so you are actually pointing
to the similar features of TWO separate stories to the archetypal plot going back to the first cave-man campfire tales ...

that is a legitimate, if irrelevant, point ... sort of ... but not really ... if A is the source story, and B has elements of A, and C has elements
of A in it, you cannot automatically relate B to C, except thru its commonalities with A ... and as Duke said, that road leads to everyone
being Kevin Bacon ...

what is not legitimate, and what causes that vein to bulge out on the SandChigger's forehead, is to claim that because of these commonalities,
C was influenced by B, without points of support ...

you cannot prove Frank Herbert any more knowledge of Captain John Smith at all; you can assume, because he was an educated, intelligent man,
that he was aware of the story ... but when discussing sources for Frank's work, assumption is not worth anything ...

we can say that the original inspiration for Dune was the article on sand dune management Frank wrote ... because he said so ...
I can say I think Frank was inspired by the swirling patterns of a log of his shit being sucked down into the toilet bowl, and that is the
basis for the sandworms, and it may in fact be true - but I cannot prove that ...

you said :
"but you don't know is that he was inspired by the Pocahontas story too."

(taken out of context and read literally, this is a true statement)

without some kind of support, a quote from Frank, a detailed analysis of fine details that point to a direct influence, this is a ...

wait ... wait ... WTF here ?

you are not going to come back and read any of this, or understand it ... why am I wasting.... fuck ...


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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby merkin muffley » 18 Jan 2011 15:21

Sandrider wrote:you are not going to come back and read any of this, or understand it ... why am I wasting.... fuck ...


nevermind.
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:lol: That's the thing. What is up with you, Harry?
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 18 Jan 2011 18:18

Bah, it's not even an insane theory, it's just a weak attempt at trolling. This moron doesn't actually believe any of the word he types, he's just out for reactions.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Nekhrun » 18 Jan 2011 18:32

Baraka Bryan wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Baraka Bryan wrote:douche. the only reason it's similar is because it follows the archetypal messianic storyline. you're taking macro plot elements and assuming cause and effect, rather than recognizing common influence.

Look up Harry's posts if you want more of the same.


gotcha. guess I was away when everyone else realized he's an idiot and stopped trying to fix him :P

No really, look them up. :wink:
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Nekhrun » 18 Jan 2011 20:48

Baraka Bryan wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Baraka Bryan wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Baraka Bryan wrote:douche. the only reason it's similar is because it follows the archetypal messianic storyline. you're taking macro plot elements and assuming cause and effect, rather than recognizing common influence.

Look up Harry's posts if you want more of the same.


gotcha. guess I was away when everyone else realized he's an idiot and stopped trying to fix him :P

No really, look them up. :wink:

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby SandChigger » 19 Jan 2011 01:25

It's truly heartwarming how helpful you are sometimes. :lol:

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby D Pope » 19 Jan 2011 01:43

Hello Hannibal! :laughing:
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby SandChigger » 19 Jan 2011 02:31

Hey, have you ever thought about how much like Dune Silence of the Lambs REALLY is?! :P

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Lundse » 19 Jan 2011 06:02

I call troll...
Too similar posts, too much nonsense, too controversial, etc.

I might be wrong, and I'm not trying to slander anyone here, but the chance that this guy is not a troll and whatever slight possibility that he will contribute something someday is not worth the wait. My advice; treat him like a troll.

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby SandChigger » 19 Jan 2011 06:22

And he's doing the same thing EVERYWHERE. :roll:

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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby lotek » 19 Jan 2011 07:38

Hannibal is SO much the Baron I'm pretty sure Frank had a future vision of SotL, hid it in a box only to have it found by Thomas Harris, who has a beard too !
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Re: Dune similarities to the Pocahontas tale

Postby Ampoliros » 19 Jan 2011 18:54

Shouldn't the title of this thread be

Dune trolls similar in intellectual depth and reasoning skills to other internet trolls. Serve well as distraction, but offer poor content at best.
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