Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

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Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Hadi Benotto » 18 Jul 2011 09:39

Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

I'm going to watch this when I get home, but thought I'd post it now. Looks funny, but again, haven't watched it yet.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby lotek » 18 Jul 2011 14:11

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qJD19I5DK0&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

interesting :)
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Bladerun » 15 Mar 2013 12:15

That video reminds me of another Lynch movie: Eraserhead.... long segments of odd imagery and even odder expressions without any dialogue or explaination.

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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby lotek » 15 Mar 2013 12:50

Haven't seen Eraserhead I must confess.

But the no explanation part would go well with the Duniverse, where Frank relies a lot on his reader's imagination to fill in the gaps.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby inhuien » 15 Mar 2013 14:58

Eraserhead is that the one with the dancing chickens?
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Serkanner » 15 Mar 2013 18:34

What is wrong with just reading the fucking books!
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby DuneFishUK » 16 Mar 2013 08:58

Creativity innit.

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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Naïve mind » 16 Mar 2013 15:40

Serkanner wrote:What is wrong with just reading the fucking books!


What is wrong with watching a movie that has artistic merit of its own?

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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby lotek » 18 Mar 2013 05:30

Naïve mind wrote:
Serkanner wrote:What is wrong with just reading the fucking books!


What is wrong with watching a movie that has artistic merit of its own?


Well the title of the topic is

Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?


So that implies its artistic merit needs some improvement.

And what Serkanner is saying in his own personnal fashion is that "what ifs" to commpensate for Lynch's shortcomings is a bit of a fool's errand.

Also, Lynch only read Dune once, or so the story goes.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Serkanner » 18 Mar 2013 08:33

lotek wrote:
Naïve mind wrote:
Serkanner wrote:What is wrong with just reading the fucking books!


What is wrong with watching a movie that has artistic merit of its own?


Well the title of the topic is

Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?


So that implies its artistic merit needs some improvement.

And what Serkanner is saying in his own personnal fashion is that "what ifs" to commpensate for Lynch's shortcomings is a bit of a fool's errand.

Also, Lynch only read Dune once, or so the story goes.


Thank you.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby lotek » 18 Mar 2013 08:38

My fucking pleasure ^^
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Bladerun » 18 Mar 2013 10:05

inhuien wrote:Eraserhead is that the one with the dancing chickens?


Thats the one, if by dancing you mean:


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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 19 Mar 2013 12:50

What I find interesting about Eraserhead is that its full of Lynch's clever special effects, like that freakish baby child of the titular character, yet Lynch refuses to explain to audiences how he's worried that his explanation would end the suspension of disbelief. When asked if the baby was a puppet, he wouldn't give a straight answer, because he likes to make audiences belief that the thing is real... Apparently, Stanley Kubrick was a huge fan of the movie, and showed Eraserhead to his friends because he thought it was so cool.

The Harkonnen setting in Lynch's Dune definitely has an Eraserhead (as well as Orwellian) quality to it. Geidi Prime is turned into a planet of Lynchian freaks, and I love its disturbed punk style.

In response to the topic, I like the film just fine, though the book is always more fulfilling. I like the extended cut (without the dumb spacecraft landing edits) the best. I wouldn't remove the dialogue, because there are dialogue bits which I think are still awesome, and sometimes hilarious. I love the dialogue of the Guild Navigator, the bald Guildsman with the translating staff, Gurney, Feyd, and the Baron.

Piter: As you instructed me, I have enlightened your nephews concerning my plan--

Baron: MY PLAN!

Piter.... THE Plan.


And who can forget the most famous line in the whole movie... well, according to me anyway.

Baron: Well, Thufa!
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Freakzilla » 20 Mar 2013 07:24

Eraserhead is fucked UP.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 21 Mar 2013 04:29

Freakzilla wrote:Eraserhead is fucked UP.


But it's fucked up in a good way. It's my kind of fucked up. There are things that are more fucked up than Eraserhead, like Manos: The Hands of Fate or horror cartoons from Japan. :)
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Freakzilla » 21 Mar 2013 07:51

Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Eraserhead is fucked UP.


But it's fucked up in a good way. It's my kind of fucked up. There are things that are more fucked up than Eraserhead, like Manos: The Hands of Fate or horror cartoons from Japan. :)


I guess I just didn't get the point of it.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 21 Mar 2013 15:05

Freakzilla wrote:
Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Eraserhead is fucked UP.


But it's fucked up in a good way. It's my kind of fucked up. There are things that are more fucked up than Eraserhead, like Manos: The Hands of Fate or horror cartoons from Japan. :)


I guess I just didn't get the point of it.


No points need to be gotten, Freak. I'm just being silly. :wink:
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Freakzilla » 21 Mar 2013 19:03

It was an interesting movie and I enjoyed it but like most Lynch movies, it didn't make much sense.

I'm surprised his treatment of Dune didn't turn out weirder than it was.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 21 Mar 2013 23:32

My cartooning teacher from high school shared the same opinion. When I mentioned to him that Dune was directed by David Lynch, he said that Dune seems so unlike him. When I finally saw most of Eraserhead in college, I understood why... Of course it's because Lynch couldn't be much weird in Dune, that he reverted back to being weird in his other films.

I still find it funny that I watched Lynch's The Elephant Man in my middle school reading class, because we were reading about John Merrick's life then. The fact that my reading teacher taught a Lynch film to sixth graders seems so awesome in retrospect.
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Re: Can David Lynch's Dune Be Improved with No Dialogue?

Postby jakoye » 21 May 2013 08:04

Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:The Harkonnen setting in Lynch's Dune definitely has an Eraserhead (as well as Orwellian) quality to it. Geidi Prime is turned into a planet of Lynchian freaks, and I love its disturbed punk style.
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I love the dialogue of the Guild Navigator, the bald Guildsman with the translating staff, Gurney, Feyd, and the Baron.


Agree with this. To me, the depiction of the Guild was the best part of the Lynch movie version of Dune. Sinister, steampunk before that even became a "thing", adding to what Herbert wrote in an interesting and intriguing way (unlike, say, the Defilers).

I also liked the darkness and industrial goth look of Geidi Prime. I was less-enamored with the heart plugs, midgets, and general circus feel to the Harkonnens. The interpretation of the Baron in particular disturbed me. There is simply no way such a flying fool as the one in the movie could advance to where he had in the Duneiverse. The Baron of the book had his weaknesses, but he was quite intelligent and a worthy foe. The Baron of the movie is a disgusting pig who has zero redeeming qualities and thus is nothing but a grotesque, not an enemy to be taken seriously.

And, I love The Police, but Sting was just a very, very bad choice for Feyd.


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