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Something sacrilegious

Postby beigewyng » 15 May 2014 20:56

One of the things I've been wondering is, what would it be like if they made a new Dune movie, and hold on, this is just an idle suggestion, what if George Lucas made a Dune re-make? If he could avoid making it too much like Star Wars? Now don't be too mad, I was just wondering if anyone else thinks he could do it. If not, do you think there should be a remake of Dune and if so, who should direct it? Sorry, should have posted this in the Dune Media section, can't figure out how to move it.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Ampoliros » 15 May 2014 21:46

I don't trust Lucas to take a dump without CGI anymore.

And considering how much Frank disliked Star Wars, yeah I think he'd consider it sacrilege.

Besides, you don't need a Lucas movie: the scripts for the prequels make only the tiniest bit more sense than anything KJA wrote, so the new 'Dune' books give a pretty good impression of what a Lucas Dune would look like.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Serkanner » 16 May 2014 06:32

AS far as I am concerned there will never be a Dune movie or tv series. The books are enough for a lifetime of reading pleasure and study. ANY adaptation will end in disappointment.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 16 May 2014 07:02

Moving to Dune Media..
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Omphalos » 16 May 2014 10:57

I heard that Lucas owned the option and sold it to Disney.

Chew on that for a while, kids.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 16 May 2014 12:03

Omphalos wrote:I heard that Lucas owned the option and sold it to Disney.

Chew on that for a while, kids.


Interesting, when was this?
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 16 May 2014 12:17

Oh, and in response to the OP: There are some who would say that Star Wars IS George Lucas' version of Dune.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby beigewyng » 17 May 2014 09:34

Star Wars is a version of Dune? Interesting I never thought of that.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 17 May 2014 13:59

beigewyng wrote:Star Wars is a version of Dune? Interesting I never thought of that.


Google is your friend...

http://www.google.com/cse?q=star%20wars ... gsc.page=1
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Cpt. Aramsham » 17 May 2014 17:08

Even though FH apparently felt Lucas had ripped him off, I've always considered the argument a bit silly. Star Wars is a mix of a bunch of different things, and we know that the main inspirations were Flash Gordon (which gives plucky rebels fighting an evil empire), Kurosawa movies (with the samurai being probably the main template for the jedi) and Campbell's account of the hero's journey (which provides the main beats of Luke's story). Sure, Dune was also in the mix, and Lucas gives it a tip of the hat by having C-3PO mention "spice mines", but much of what they have in common are pretty common genre elements and story tropes.

You could probably build a stronger case that Dune is a ripoff of Lawrence of Arabia.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Redstar » 19 May 2014 01:59

It's a ridiculous hypothetical because there isn't much chance for Lucas to adapt the novel(s) either in the past or now. It's no more a realistic topic than imagining Welles directing a Flash Gordon movie.

I'd rather consider directors who actually expressed an interest or attempted it.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Omphalos » 19 May 2014 11:44

Freakzilla wrote:
Omphalos wrote:I heard that Lucas owned the option and sold it to Disney.

Chew on that for a while, kids.


Interesting, when was this?


Just a joke Freak.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 19 May 2014 11:51

Omphalos wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Omphalos wrote:I heard that Lucas owned the option and sold it to Disney.

Chew on that for a while, kids.


Interesting, when was this?


Just a joke Freak.


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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 20 May 2014 00:33

I still long for the George Lucas who directed the first Star Wars and THX-1138. Of course, the directors behind Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi improved on some of Lucas' flaws in the first Star Wars, but I liked how he started with both THX and Star Wars. If I wanted to do a Dune film that was filmed in the vein of Lucas' earlier sci-fi outings, I would just acquire the artists and special effects guys who worked on those movies rather than Lucas himself. Or at least find guys who could employ a skillful imitation of the special effects and art direction of those films. I think it would be very interesting to visualize Dune in the art style of the first Star Wars movies as an artistic challenge. The art style for such a Dune movie (or at least Dune concept art or a fan film), doesn't have to look directly like Star Wars, but just enough in that vein that you can tell that it's Star Wars-styled. I would especially like to see a version of Dune which implements the art direction of Flash Gordon, be it the original serials or the 80s film. Doing different artistic interpretations of one story has always fascinated me.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Naib » 29 May 2014 13:44

Lucas has had his day, let him pass into history.

I'd be willing to see what Chris Nolan could do with Dune. Inception was great and he might, might, have the sensibilities to do a Dune film justice.

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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 31 May 2014 17:30

Naib wrote:I'd be willing to see what Chris Nolan could do with Dune. Inception was great and he might, might, have the sensibilities to do a Dune film justice.


He might. It's just that Chris Nolan has kind of lost perspective about how his ideas come across to his audience and has become little bit convoluted recently, especially in his last two Dark Knight films. Don't get me wrong: I very much admire Chris Nolan, and I have a fan of him ever since I first watched Memento, and I liked how he approached Batman in Batman Begins. It's just that I'm afraid he might convolute and ruin Dune with the same mistakes that his did in Dark Knight Rises. However....

Perhaps Frank Herbert's original words from the book could suit Nolan's film style. Just write him a faithful script of Dune, and he might do it justice. If does direct it, I'd want Tom Hardy, who was Charlie "Fucking" Bronson in BRONSON (2007) and Bane in TDKR, as the Baron Harkonnen.... Yeah, I like that idea. :)

Of course, if he ever does direct, you'd need to make sure that he doesn't go off on his tangents.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Freakzilla » 31 May 2014 22:39

You know what we got here? A mother fucking Charlie Bronson...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2omM1kTbOg
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 01 Jun 2014 09:35

Freakzilla wrote:You know what we got here? A mother fucking Charlie Bronson...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2omM1kTbOg


Good choice, Freakzilla. You got good taste in romance. Particularly in True Romance.

Now here are some awesome scenes from the Bronson film I was talking about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F3B2GHaiRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZwNVFq_rU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ6nQJ21vSM

And here's the Bane vs. Batman scene with Bronson's dialogue in place of Bane's. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm13g9ssWjA
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Crizius » 25 Jun 2014 08:14

10 or so hours long series with reasoble budget could do it justice. Dune is to big and complex to make into single movie.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Crizius » 25 Jun 2014 08:58

To be honest, I don't think that any mainstream Hollywood director should direct adaptation of Dune. Now some mainstream, rich producer...

Nicolas Winding Refn announced that he will adapt the comic book as a live-action film. After that, maybe he could make Dune. Sure, some may say, that as Jodorowsky fan he would aim to do Jodorowskys version of Dune, rather than loyal adaptation, but some may argue that The Incal is Jodorowskys Dune, that lead's to another question, why if Nicolas already made Jodorowskys Dune, why would he want to do Frank's Dune? Well Somebody has to.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 03 Jul 2014 00:17

Crizius wrote:To be honest, I don't think that any mainstream Hollywood director should direct adaptation of Dune. Now some mainstream, rich producer...

Nicolas Winding Refn announced that he will adapt the comic book as a live-action film. After that, maybe he could make Dune. Sure, some may say, that as Jodorowsky fan he would aim to do Jodorowskys version of Dune, rather than loyal adaptation, but some may argue that The Incal is Jodorowskys Dune, that lead's to another question, why if Nicolas already made Jodorowskys Dune, why would he want to do Frank's Dune? Well Somebody has to.


Jodorowsky's Dune is best suited to be completed by Jodorowsky himself. I'm all for directors doing their own unique approach to Dune, whether very faithful or very radical in its adaptation. I am not aware of Nicolas Winding Refn's work, I'll check him out on your recommendation.
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Re: Something sacrilegious

Postby MuaB'Beep » 16 Sep 2014 12:09

I don't see any possibility of making Dune movie in nowadays era. Problem with Dune is that it would need tremendous budget and lowest common denominator audience to fund it - which would dumb the movie down. And it needs to be dumbed down - because whatever we think there are not as many people who would like to go to a Dune movie. To picture the first book it would take at least three movies so I don't think any studio would do it. Jodorovsky?... okay but those were different times - de Laurentis was basically a very rich dude who didn't know what to do with all his gold and paintings, this is what movie producers in Europe rolled in the 70s. Not possible now (with the exception of Musk).

The only way I see a Dune motion picture is by animated series or by big budget tv-series (like game of thrones). But this would take Bobo&Hack taking out head from their asses. I mean Bobo didn't even greenlight the Dune boardgame by FFG (the BEST boardgame company!) they have to change the setting to original Twilight Empire. I see either some behind the courtian conspiracies or just lack of imagination in possible capitalisation of Dune potential.


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