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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Ampoliros » 06 Aug 2009 13:08

    reading through Winds, yes he does care. In Paul of Dune, KJA felt the need to specifically take a jab at us. In Winds at least 1/2 of the major point of the book is how KJA is right and we, the OH are wrong.

    I'll report back soon: but here's one notation:

    Pg 149 Winds of Dune: Irulan speaking to Jessica about the relavance of Paul's Jongleur days. "I've already had enough trouble with Fremen Traditionalists (Orthodox Herbertians?) who believe that your son's past has no bearing (KJA's Young Paul Adventures contradicts canon by even existing) , that before he became Muad'dib, there was nothing worth remembering...(actually, we've never said this)...I've been considering adding a companion volume to my biographies(at this point completely hijacked by Alia according to KJA), one tailored to a younger audience. A Child's History of Muad'dib, perhaps.(perhaps a slightly veiled threat to the OH that KJA plans to milk Frank Herbert's corpse dryer than arrakeen sand?)


    Jessica responds by dropping the bombshell that it was Jongleur awesomesauce psychic/voice mind tricks that made Paul such a charismatic leader, not the mythic messiah role that he filled, nor the religion that sprang from it.

    In short, the Kwisatz Hadarach of McDune is in fact Ronald McDonald.


    You may rebut. I double clown prince dare you.


    (Btw, one of my favorite stage magicians uses a lot of Jongleur traditions and skills and I am in no way disparaging the work that REAL Jongleurs do. Its frakkin amazing to watch and I love it for its antiquity and professionalism.)
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandChigger » 06 Aug 2009 13:13

    Ampoliros wrote:In short, the Kwisatz Hadarach of McDune is in fact Ronald McDonald.

    Perfect! :laughing:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby TheDukester » 07 Aug 2009 12:53

    redbugpest wrote:That is so Junior High

    I'm thinking Borders today, Bri-Bri. I'm off work and looking for some fun.

    What do you think? Should I bring the camera?
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandChigger » 07 Aug 2009 13:02

    YEA! :lol:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby GamePlayer » 07 Aug 2009 13:07

    TheDukester wrote:
    redbugpest wrote:That is so Junior High

    I'm thinking Borders today, Bri-Bri. I'm off work and looking for some fun.

    What do you think? Should I bring the camera?


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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby TheDukester » 07 Aug 2009 13:30

    I have no doubt than Pestie has actually called my local Borders by now, alerting them to the dangerous Talifan that's planning to — dun-dun-dunnnn! — re-arrange a few books. :lol:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 07 Aug 2009 13:34

    I'm going to print up a few cards to warn anyone who might want those books.

    At the local used store I don't think there are enough books to cover up all of the copies of kja/BH books in Frank's section.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandRider » 07 Aug 2009 13:50

    I've given this one a lot of thought.

    If they're shelving by author, well, goddamnit, Brian's name is on there,
    always first. So the very least of an argument to be made is that Frank's
    books should all be shelved separately.

    If the truth was told, of course, they should all be shelved under the "A"s - (for "Asshat")

    There's the whole "collaboration" argument, but in the end, bookstores are going
    to see "Dune" like "Star Wars" & all the Warhammer bullshit. It's all part of ONE
    franchise, so the actual authors don't matter - which leads to no-one giving a
    damn about being careful not to mix the real Dune books in with the new silly-books.

    "Got DUNE on the cover ? Toss it in this bin ...."

    until the major bookstore chains recognize that Frank's books really ain't "Science Fiction", anyway,
    but should be shelved in "Literature", w/ Twain & Faulkner, this is going to be a dead issue.

    it's another one of the god-awful irritating things that stokes the flames of my bile & hatred ...
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby TheDukester » 07 Aug 2009 13:56

    You speak-eth much truth, Ancient One.

    Bookstores were some of the first to give into the branding mania that began in the '80s. And SF/F, as a genre, just plays right into that, since everything has to be a trilogy and since the most successful brands have become worldwide phenomena.

    That's one reason I love a good used book store. That's where you're going to find people who love books and have a level of knowledge that goes deeper than, "But Brian Herbert is his son!"
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 07 Aug 2009 13:58

    TheDukester wrote:That's where you're going to find people who love books and have a level of knowledge that goes deeper than, "But Brian Herbert is his son!"


    Ahhh, good ole #4.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Tleszer » 07 Aug 2009 14:21

    TheDukester wrote:
    redbugpest wrote:That is so Junior High

    I'm thinking Borders today, Bri-Bri. I'm off work and looking for some fun.

    What do you think? Should I bring the camera?

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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SadisticCynic » 08 Aug 2009 08:28

    Nekhrun wrote:
    TheDukester wrote:That's where you're going to find people who love books and have a level of knowledge that goes deeper than, "But Brian Herbert is his son!"


    Ahhh, good ole #4.


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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Serkanner » 08 Aug 2009 10:21

    Today I hid all the Atrocities behind Frank's books again ( for the second time ). Unfortunately I forgot to bring my camera ... no pics? It didn't happen ... right? :cry: ... next time I will.

    By the way ... not one copy of Winds of Jessica yet in The American Book Center ... the largest seller of English and American books in The Netherlands. :?:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandChigger » 08 Aug 2009 10:24

    HURRAH for Dutch taste! :D
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 08 Aug 2009 10:26

    Serkanner wrote:Today I hid all the Atrocities behind Frank's books again ( for the second time ). Unfortunately I forgot to bring my camera ... no pics? It didn't happen ... right? :cry: ... next time I will.

    By the way ... not one copy of Winds of Jessica yet in The American Book Center ... the largest seller of English and American books in The Netherlands. :?:

    Did you check the audio books? A lot of kja fans are illiterate. Oooh another item for the list!
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Serkanner » 08 Aug 2009 10:31

    Nekhrun wrote:
    Serkanner wrote:Today I hid all the Atrocities behind Frank's books again ( for the second time ). Unfortunately I forgot to bring my camera ... no pics? It didn't happen ... right? :cry: ... next time I will.

    By the way ... not one copy of Winds of Jessica yet in The American Book Center ... the largest seller of English and American books in The Netherlands. :?:

    Did you check the audio books? A lot of kja fans are illiterate. Oooh another item for the list!


    I wonder which list will become longer; your list or the list of inconsistencies.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 08 Aug 2009 10:36

    Serkanner wrote:
    Nekhrun wrote:
    Serkanner wrote:Today I hid all the Atrocities behind Frank's books again ( for the second time ). Unfortunately I forgot to bring my camera ... no pics? It didn't happen ... right? :cry: ... next time I will.

    By the way ... not one copy of Winds of Jessica yet in The American Book Center ... the largest seller of English and American books in The Netherlands. :?:

    Did you check the audio books? A lot of kja fans are illiterate. Oooh another item for the list!


    I wonder which list will become longer; your list or the list of inconsistencies.

    One causes the other.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandChigger » 08 Aug 2009 11:38

    Ooh! Is that circular thinking, instead of pyramidal?! :P
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 24 Sep 2009 11:21

    I'll post the pic as proof when I get home, but at my local B & N there are no copies of Winds of Dune in the New Sci-Fi section. There are some paperbacks of PoD, but the only place they have WoD is in the Herbert section. All copies are signed, but don't appear to be flying off the shelf. I guess they know what people are looking for and what they're not.

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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby TheDukester » 24 Sep 2009 11:32

    Schweet!

    Same tale here at the local B&N. Jessica's Wind went from "front of store" up to SF/F in about a week, then was removed even from the "new SF/F" shelf after about two more weeks. There's like four copies now, shelved right next to the Keith/Bobo paperbacks.

    Demand seems rather low ... :lol:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby cmsahe » 24 Sep 2009 13:37

    Dukester, the second picture, looks beautiful. Dune is Frank Herbert Period!. I've downloaded that image.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby SandChigger » 24 Sep 2009 14:00

    I checked out four bookstores in my area while I was home. All had at least one copy of the WoD, but there were no displays or other nonsense.

    In BFE Ohio at least, MASSIVE FAIL. :lol:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby Nekhrun » 24 Sep 2009 15:00

    Pics added to my previous post as proof.
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby TheDukester » 24 Sep 2009 15:27

    I see at least one of Kevin's "critical darlings," though! :lol:
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    Re: Fun at the bookstore

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 24 Sep 2009 15:32

    For the first time ever (EVER and I've been looking) I found a book store that actually carried some of KJA's "original" works. Of course, they had an SF section six times the size of most Chapters' SF sections, so it makes some sense. The same store did have Winds on display in the new fiction section, but had only a couple of the other new dune books, and a pile of FH's stuff. Good to see.
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