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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Omphalos » 20 Jul 2011 16:25

    They can't have any of my mills. I need them to grind my corn!
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 21 Jul 2011 00:40

    thankee - I just created an hysterical email & mass-mailed it to every Reactionary Southern Patriot I know ...

    (same bunch of shitheels that sent me over 50 identical forwarded hysterical emails today about
    "Executive Order 13575" ... I do not know what "Executive Order 13575" is, as I could not be
    bothered to click all the links in the emails, and no details were given in the emails themselves
    other than something about the Federal President trying to "kill the country" ... which sounds
    like a good idea to me, and I would be in favor of that ...)
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 21 Jul 2011 02:36

    goddamnit, I just couldn't help myself ....
    (the devil made me do it the First Time, Second Time I done it on my own ...)


    version of the ExecOrd13575 email from My Idiot Brother, with his Own Charming Introduction:
    From: My Idiot Brother <jackass@yahoo.com>
    To: Every Email Address He Has (still no BCC ... guess who has ALL their email addresses now ?)
    Subject: Executive Order 13575

    I do not care if you are republican or democrat this affects everyone one of us.This want a be so called president is killing this great country of ours one.One executive order after another.This guy has to be stopped in someway before it is to late.I ask each one to pray and ask God to take control before all is lost.We live in the greatest country of all but this president is killing it some wanted change will is this the change that you wanted not me.
    He has to be stopped contact your elected officials and voice your displeasure before all is lost.PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR COUNRTY (My Idiot Brother)

    Subject: WHILE WE WERE SLEEPING ON JUNE 30,2011: Executive Order 13575
    Words from OBAMA just a few days before the election in Nov 2008. Paraphrased -- in just a few days I/we will begin to fundamentally transform America!
    How can anyone not believe that he (and others like him) fully intends to destroy America as we know it. And We The People just sit by and watch it happen. I'm as guilty as the next person; because I feel helpless as to what to do. I am just one vote. It just makes me sick to think of the vast number of idiots that will vote for him (and others like him) for his / their re-election in Nov 2012. Obama makes Roosevelt, Johnson, Carter and Clinton look like boy scouts!!!!!
    Not concerned yet? Check out Executive Order 13575 and watch the commentary on youtube below.
    WAKE UP AMERICA - THIS JUST HAPPENED ON JUNE 30, 2011 WHILE WE WERE DISTRACTED BY CASEY ANTHONY AND WEINER - OH SO QUIETLY INSIDE THE SACRED WALLS OF THE OVAL OFFICE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14qDq7B9 ... ture=share


    YouTube video from above link, FoxNEWS segment:



    related YouTube videos, in no particular order of Stupidity or Hysteria:





    then there's this : http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/ ... 575-a.html
    (this is apparently a fairly active "political" forum - if these are the "informed" voters
    in US Federal Elections, it explains quite a lot ...)

    from Alex Jones, so you know where this one's heading ...
    http://www.infowars.com/executive-order ... agenda-21/

    http://americanpolicy.org/executive-order-13575/
    now, the "American Policy Center" seems like a legitimate, well-organized & funded "think-tank"
    or some type of corporate-front lobbying group, with a slick-looking website just jam-packed with "content",
    scholarly-appearing articles, "position papers" & such, but it's actually just Tom DeWeese, a left-over shitheel
    from Pat Buchanan's Clown Car (who rode in the trunk during the 1980 election, but got tossed out and left
    drunk and bleeding on the sidewalk on Inauguration Night .... still the loyal whipped-dog boot-licker, tho, Tom
    actually formed the "APC" in the mid-eighties as a propaganda-churning machine simultaneously advocating
    and denying Federal Funding of the "anti-Communist" militias in Central America)


    I'd say the domain-name is about you need to read here:
    http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/for ... 3575-white

    I think this one might be Jimmy:
    http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/ex ... agenda-21/

    but hey, the U.S. of A. ain't got no monopoly on fear-mongering:
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/38394

    and just for "completeness", this appears to be the "news article" that began ALL this hysteria:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/does-th ... agenda-21/



    wow.
    well, that alot of crazy-talk right there, I don't care who you are ...
    but, what the fuck, huh? let's do something really crazy,
    like, maybe .... read the actual paper that there Federal President signed ....
    (which is the first thing I did - go figure; I'm absolutely sure My Idiot Brother
    did not download the .pdf, and I'm sure he won't read it when I send it to him
    as a reply to his email above ... I am sure his response will be along the lines of
    huh. yew jus gonna beleeb whutevr they rites on paper, huh?

    www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/DCPD-201100431/pdf/DCPD-201100431.pdf
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    Administration of Barack Obama, 2011

    Executive Order 13575—Establishment of the White House Rural Council
    June 9, 2011

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United
    States of America and in order to enhance Federal engagement with rural communities, it is
    hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Policy. Sixteen percent of the American population lives in rural counties.
    Strong, sustainable rural communities are essential to winning the future and ensuring
    American competitiveness in the years ahead. These communities supply our food, fiber, and
    energy, safeguard our natural resources, and are essential in the development of science and
    innovation. Though rural communities face numerous challenges, they also present enormous
    economic potential. The Federal Government has an important role to play in order to expand
    access to the capital necessary for economic growth, promote innovation, improve access to
    health care and education, and expand outdoor recreational activities on public lands.

    To enhance the Federal Government's efforts to address the needs of rural America, this
    order establishes a council to better coordinate Federal programs and maximize the impact of
    Federal investment to promote economic prosperity and quality of life in our rural
    communities.

    Sec. 2. Establishment. There is established a White House Rural Council (Council).

    Sec. 3. Membership. (a) The Secretary of Agriculture shall serve as the Chair of the
    Council, which shall also include the heads of the following executive branch departments,
    agencies, and offices:

    (1) the Department of the Treasury;

    (2) the Department of Defense;

    (3) the Department of Justice;

    (4) the Department of the Interior;

    (5) the Department of Commerce;

    (6) the Department of Labor;

    (7) the Department of Health and Human Services;

    (8) the Department of Housing and Urban Development;

    (9) the Department of Transportation;

    (10) the Department of Energy;

    (11) the Department of Education;

    (12) the Department of Veterans Affairs;

    (13) the Department of Homeland Security;

    (14) the Environmental Protection Agency;

    (15) the Federal Communications Commission;

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    (16) the Office of Management and Budget;

    (17) the Office of Science and Technology Policy;

    (18) the Office of National Drug Control Policy;

    (19) the Council of Economic Advisers;

    (20) the Domestic Policy Council;

    (21) the National Economic Council;

    (22) the Small Business Administration;

    (23) the Council on Environmental Quality;

    (24) the White House Office of Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs;

    (25) the White House Office of Cabinet Affairs; and such other executive branch
    departments, agencies, and offices as the President or the Secretary of Agriculture may, from
    time to time, designate.

    (b) A member of the Council may designate, to perform the Council functions of the
    member, a senior-level official who is part of the member's department, agency, or office, and
    who is a full-time officer or employee of the Federal Government.

    (c) The Department of Agriculture shall provide funding and administrative support for
    the Council to the extent permitted by law and within existing appropriations.

    (d) The Council shall coordinate its policy development through the Domestic Policy
    Council and the National Economic Council.

    Sec. 4. Mission and Function of the Council. The Council shall work across executive
    departments, agencies, and offices to coordinate development of policy recommendations to
    promote economic prosperity and quality of life in rural America, and shall coordinate my
    Administration's engagement with rural communities. The Council shall:

    (a) make recommendations to the President, through the Director of the Domestic Policy
    Council and the Director of the National Economic Council, on streamlining and leveraging
    Federal investments in rural areas, where appropriate, to increase the impact of Federal dollars
    and create economic opportunities to improve the quality of life in rural America;

    (b) coordinate and increase the effectiveness of Federal engagement with rural
    stakeholders, including agricultural organizations, small businesses, education and training
    institutions, health-care providers, telecommunications services providers, research and land
    grant institutions, law enforcement, State, local, and tribal governments, and nongovernmental
    organizations regarding the needs of rural America;

    (c) coordinate Federal efforts directed toward the growth and development of geographic
    regions that encompass both urban and rural areas; and

    (d) identify and facilitate rural economic opportunities associated with energy
    development, outdoor recreation, and other conservation related activities.

    Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) The heads of executive departments and agencies shall
    assist and provide information to the Council, consistent with applicable law, as may be
    necessary to carry out the functions of the Council. Each executive department and agency
    shall bear its own expense for participating in the Council.

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    (b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i) authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof;
    or

    (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to
    budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (c) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the
    availability of appropriations.

    (d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or
    procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its
    departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

    BARACK OBAMA

    The White House,
    June 9, 2011.

    [Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 11:15 a.m., June 13, 2011]

    NOTE: This Executive order was published in the Federal Register on June 14.

    Categories: Executive Orders : White House Rural Council, establishment.

    Subjects: White House Office : Rural Council, White House.

    DCPD Number: DCPD201100431.

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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Sandwurm88 » 21 Jul 2011 19:47

    I don't get this Rural Council thing...seems like another stupid, un-needed government committee that will waste time, but I don't get how its so sinister and what-not...
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Freakzilla » 21 Jul 2011 20:29

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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Omphalos » 21 Jul 2011 20:49

    Sandwurm88 wrote:I don't get this Rural Council thing...seems like another stupid, un-needed government committee that will waste time, but I don't get how its so sinister and what-not...


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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Hadi Benotto » 26 Jul 2011 10:17

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    "Commander Biden... institute Order 13575!!!"

    "Copy, Order 13757!"

    "No no, Order 13575!"

    "Copy, Order 13557!"

    "NO! Order 13575! You hear what I'm saying, right? You know what, screw it. We're calling it Order 66. Institute Order 66! 66, that's not too hard to remember is it? Dark Lords below, I have a government full of you numb nuts! All with the same ears and hearing ability... gah!"
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 26 Jul 2011 11:27

    Sandwurm88 wrote:I don't get this Rural Council thing...seems like another stupid, un-needed government committee that will waste time, but I don't get how its so sinister and what-not...



    cookie for the young'un .... :cookie sm:


    "another stupid, un-needed government committee that will waste time" :
    the adjectives will be proven one way or the other in the future (altho, given
    the Federal Government's Track Record, I couldn't argue with this opinion)
    (but, ever-now&then, them young, brite-eyed kids on Democratic Staffs do
    come up with some stuff that almost-might work; thinking here of a little over
    half of Gore's ReGo re-shuffling that worked out (sorta) ....)

    but yes, what this is doing is creating a "rural task force", to present "policy"
    to the Administration (I do not understand if this type of thing carries over
    from Admin to Admin - supposing the current Federal President does not win another
    term, will this "Rural Council" automatically disband ? I kinda doubt that, tho ... once
    something like this is set in place, it usually hangs around on its own momentum ...)

    every one should've immediately understood what this is all about from the phrase
    "expand access to {the} capital" in Section One, along with "coordinate Federal
    programs and maximize the impact of Federal investment"
    .... so I'm reading this as
    a plan to herd all the lobbyists and recipients of AgDept kickbacks & contractors and so
    forth into one pen .... instead of having them wander loose all over Washington, grazing
    at each separate trough ....

    from Section Four, Mission & Function:
    "streamlining and leveraging Federal investments in rural areas"
    "coordinate and increase the effectiveness of Federal engagement"
    "increase the impact of Federal dollars and create economic opportunities"
    "coordinate Federal efforts"
    "identify and facilitate rural economic opportunities"


    again, all that is about how & where to pass out the Federal Monies;
    and again, this is a committee to advise the Administration on Policy ...





    of course, that's what they want you to think ....
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Mandy » 26 Jul 2011 14:09

    I think it's also about getting broadband to rural areas (economic opportunities).
    As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hypatia approaches one.
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Freakzilla » 26 Jul 2011 14:10

    Mandy wrote:I think it's also about getting broadband to rural areas (economic opportunities).


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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Nekhrun » 26 Jul 2011 14:30

    Freakzilla wrote:
    Mandy wrote:I think it's also about getting broadband to rural areas (economic opportunities).


    Someone has to provide porn to the farmers.

    Hey, it could go both ways. Maybe it's time they started giving us something we can actually use. Not like those Monsanto Soy Beans :wink:
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Hadi Benotto » 27 Jul 2011 01:50

    Nekhrun wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:
    Mandy wrote:I think it's also about getting broadband to rural areas (economic opportunities).


    Someone has to provide porn to the farmers.

    Hey, it could go both ways. Maybe it's time they started giving us something we can actually use. Not like those Monsanto Soy Beans :wink:


    Pretty much anything by Monsanto is a POS.
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 28 Jul 2011 12:15

    as you know, (@the Honey Trap, here) "Rural Broadband" was a big Talking Point during the campaign; as a Priority,
    it kinda got pushed back, in favor of bullshit like the Depression, the prolapse of the American Banking System, fighting
    the Secret War against the Nazi-Aliens, &etc.

    so I don't think the Rural Council was created "for" the Rural Broadband issue, but I do think it was created to streamline
    all the "issues" to one policy committee ... as I said above, so the example here would be that instead of lobbying all the
    different Federal Agencies & so forth, the Education Department, Ag, Interior, FCC, and so forth, Rural Broadband Advocates
    will be told to take their bullshit to the "Rural Council" ....

    and since freemarket-robberbaron-capitalism + advancing technology provided semi-highspeed innerwebz access to the
    main compound, via the local small-town boys and a shitload of new towers, I've been less interested in the issue ....

    cuz Imma selfish-bastard li'dat ....
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Mandy » 28 Jul 2011 13:41

    I didn't think it was created for rural broadband, just that it would be part of it.
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 28 Jul 2011 15:08

    I'll look into it, or atleast, I'll ask some folks I know who have been involved in the issue;
    home-schoolers who live out on some really remote ranches down the Staked Plains ....

    I'm just betting that they are now getting instructions to take all their stuff to this Council,
    and quit harassing the FCC & Ag Department ...

    on a related note, tho, it looks as if the pay-outs in crop-insurance this year are going to
    destroy most of the co-ops in West Texas and gouge the Texas State Budget to the point
    that Federal-President-in-Waiting Perry is going to have to ask "the Federals" for money -
    some forms of "disasters" have already been declared .... spring cotton anywhere west of
    the Colorado River is a complete loss ... (that's the Colla-RAY-doh River, in west Central
    Texas, not the Colla-RAH-doh River that runs into Lake Mead & Boulder Dam in Nevada
    (which is Nee-VAH-da, not Nee-VAD-ah)(Nuh-VAY-da is a county in south Arkansas)
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Mandy » 28 Jul 2011 16:03

    It's near the bottom of the list.. so glad I got my high speed internet already! :P

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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Freakzilla » 05 Aug 2011 11:02

    I'm taking the kids to the Battle for Chattanooga Museum (formerly known as the "Confederama") tomorrow:

    http://www.battlesforchattanooga.com/
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 02 Dec 2011 23:45

    Hey, SR, I stumbled across a movie props web site that sold Civil War props of various kinds, and it got me to thinking ...

    In your re-enactments, do participants use movie props, or are they frowned upon? I imagine genuine artifacts from the period would be preferred, but how do replicas - hand-made or otherwise - movie props, etc fare when comparing re-enactment garb/accoutrements?

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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Dec 2011 10:44

    Freakzilla wrote:I'm taking the kids to the Battle for Chattanooga Museum (formerly known as the "Confederama") tomorrow:

    http://www.battlesforchattanooga.com/


    I forgot to follow up... the museum was tiny but the diorama and the accompanying story was great.

    ...

    HBJ, don't you think actual artifacts would be too valuable to use in a re-enactment? I hope they use replicas!
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    BLACK COLLEGE STUDENT WINS FIGHT TO DISPLAY CONFEDERATE FLAG

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Dec 2011 12:49

    BLACK COLLEGE STUDENT WINS FIGHT TO DISPLAY CONFEDERATE FLAG IN DORM ROOM

    Posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:59am by Madeleine Morgenstern

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    A black college student has won the fight to keep a Confederate flag in his dorm room after school officials initially told him to take it down.

    The University of South Carolina Beaufort told 19-year-old Byron Thomas on Thursday he could keep the flag up, after the freshman was told two weeks ago to remove it because of student complaints.

    University spokeswoman Candace Brasseur told the Beaufort Gazette Thomas was initially asked to remove the flag because it violates a student code of conduct discouraging bigotry, but the school’s legal counsel ultimately advised the university to allow him to display the flag.

    When he was first told in November to take the flag down, Thomas posted a four-minute video on YouTube saying he views the Confederate flag as a sign of Southern pride, not of racism, and was not going to remove it. The video was re-posted on CNN’s iReport, where it has been viewed more than 70,000 times.

    “It’s not racist for me,” Thomas, a Georgia native, said in the video. “All it is is a symbol that I see as a sign of respect, and people don’t want to see it that way.”

    Before the school relented, Thomas said he felt his First Amendment rights were being violated, and said he considered legal action if he was not allowed to display the flag.

    A class project made him come to the realization that the flag’s real meaning has been hijacked, he told the Associated Press in an interview. He said he wants people to carefully consider issues of race and not just have knee-jerk reactions to symbols.

    “When I look at this flag, I don’t see racism. I see respect, Southern pride,” he told the AP. “This flag was seen as a communication symbol” during the Civil War.

    Thomas said he also dislikes the term “African American” because it makes him feel like a half-citizen.

    “I was not born in Africa, I was born in Augusta, Georgia,” he said in the video.

    Thomas said he’s received a huge outpouring of support since the ordeal began.

    “I’ve been getting a lot of support from people. My generation is interested in freedom of speech,” Thomas said.

    He said he talked to his parents — who grew up amid the Civil Rights movement — once the uproar started and said they weren’t happy about his decision to display it, though that probably won’t keep him from putting it up again.

    “I don’t want to make my parents mad,” he said. “I may wait until Monday to put it up.”

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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Dec 2011 12:57

    Hunchback Jack wrote:Hey, SR, I stumbled across a movie props web site that sold Civil War props of various kinds, and it got me to thinking ...

    In your re-enactments, do participants use movie props, or are they frowned upon? I imagine genuine artifacts from the period would be preferred, but how do replicas - hand-made or otherwise - movie props, etc fare when comparing re-enactment garb/accoutrements?

    HBJ


    I was thinking about this a little more, you'd want to be able to fire blanks so it seems real artifacts would be out.

    Here's a site I found selling them: http://www.blank-guns-depot.com/

    Interesting side note:

    In compliance with Federal Law All Blank guns and all Replica Guns Replicating a model newer than 1896 must have a Red/Orange tip in the end of the Barrel. None of our Replica or Blank Guns can be converted or modified to fire real ammunition. Our Replicas are sold and intended for Display, Theatrical and Historical Value only.
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 03 Dec 2011 13:19

    folks bring "artifacts" for display quite often; usually not actually used on the field (altho I know one
    guy who has a naval telescope from the early 1850s he carries and uses, and passes around to the general
    staff) ....

    as to firearms, there are a ton of companies all over the world making operable black-powder reproduction
    rifles and handguns - Cabella's Navy Colt (with brass plating, like the Confederate model) is going for $200
    brand new these days ... every now and then you might see someone who's brought a restored firearm from
    the period that will demo fire it ...

    you can often find swords & sabers from the period on display; there are a wide range of repro & replica blades
    available - f'instance, my "parade sword" is a short Fayetteville Arsenal artillery command sword, very ornate
    hilt & guard, etched blade, &etc, very heavy & well-made, from an outfit in Spain that's made bull-fighting
    swords forever - I paid over $500 for it 20 years ago; pretty much priceless today ... then, I also have 5 or
    six of the "Paki-steel" cavalry sabres, cheap ($30-$50) repros of the 1850 Cavalry Saber - these are still pretty
    good little tools, tho ... tough & plain (altho the scabbards will tarnish & rust out real quick w/o some coating);
    but they are cheap & easy to come by (esp in bulk) so they're perfect for banging around and treating rough ...

    as far as "movie-props" go - these days, you have to remember that most projects set in the period (of the War
    or after, into the Wild West era) are outfitted by "re-enactors" ... there are re-enacting units that are
    regularly used as "extras", esp here in Texas, where it seems they are filming one Confederate Zombie Movie after
    another ... and that does lead to a whole-nother kettle of bad fish - "This (whatever) was in that Movie ..."

    f'instance, some years ago, my Idiot Brother and his boys rode with Terry's Texas Rangers, a very large and spread
    out re-enacting "organization" ... about 150 of them were used as extras in the movie "Ride With the Devil" ....
    anyway, the point is that now, every piece of shit in my Idiot Brother's kit he claims was "used in Ride with the
    Devil" .... is this true? possibly ... was any of it on camera? aww, not really ... does this (unprovable) fact up
    the value of the item? sure it does, in his mind, anyway ....

    more on this later, if I remember it ... i gots to go now ...
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby Mandy » 03 Dec 2011 14:04

    My dad got into black powder years ago, he used to make replicas from kits, they worked, and were lots of fun to shoot. Messy as hell, though.
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 07 Jan 2012 23:53

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYFg970BQ8&feature=related[/youtube]

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Q644DENLI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
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    Re: The South Will Rise Again ....

    Postby SandRider » 21 Jan 2012 20:26

    21 January was General Thomas J. Jackson's birthday ....


    Stephen Lang as Genrl Jackson, Gods & Generals:
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FIsjUYqMSI&feature=related[/youtube]


    bonus -
    Stephen Lang as Genrl Pickett, Gettysburg:
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