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    Postby SandRider » 29 Jan 2010 16:58

    that whole thing, Henry Gibson's role & the "Illinois Nazis" was based on real people and events,
    a hot topic at the time the movie was released, and still in the news, as I recall ...



    http://www.areachicago.org/p/issues/per ... is-skokie/


    The Nazis in Skokie
    When the Enemy Comes to Your Front Lawn
    Published in Peripheral Vision on Nov. 1, 2009
    by Joey Pizzolato

    In the fall of 1976, Frank Collin, the leader of the National Socialist Party of America (NSPA, or Nazis), was denied his request to hold a demonstration in Marquette Park. The Chicago Park District stipulated that the NSPA had to put up $250,000 in insurance—a sum they could not obtain. [1] The events that followed would stir the American legal system and the lives of thousands of Holocaust survivors. The events would pose the ultimate democratic question: is all speech free?

    Collin filed a lawsuit, arguing that the Park District’s insurance requirement inhibited the NSPA’s constitutional right of free speech and assembly. He also sent out letters to surrounding suburbs requesting permits for demonstration, but they were largely ignored. The only response, from the Village of Skokie, required $350,000 in insurance: an apparent proactive attempt to keep the Nazis out of the Village. [2]

    Skokie (population 66,620) is located approximately 12 miles outside of Chicago on the edge of the city. In 1977, an estimated 40,000 residents were Jewish and 5,000-7,000 were Holocaust survivors. [3] With such a demographic, it was no surprise that the city energetically sought to keep the Nazis out.

    On March 20, 1977, Collin made the march official by sending Skokie a letter stating the NSPA would hold their demonstration on May 1. [4] According to Collin, the demonstration would last 30 minutes, with 30-50 people marching, single-file, on the sidewalk, wearing Nazi military uniforms complete with swastika armband. They would hold signs reading, “White Free Speech” and “Free Speech for the White Man.” [5]

    Jewish residents of Skokie, remembering the Holocaust, were outraged. They adopted the slogan “never again!”; they would not sit back and watch the Nazis march through their town. No one could give an assurance of peace. Now, Frank Collin had two legal battles to fight—one with Chicago, one with Skokie—thereby launching both the Village and the American Nazi Party out of the political periphery and into the limelight. Collin found an unlikely ally in David Goldberger, a Jewish attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) who believed defending free speech for everyone was the only way to protect it for one’s own. [6] Together, they challenged Skokie’s insurance requirement while America watched and listened.

    Skokie’s Village Attorney, Harvey Swartz, filed a petition to the Circuit Court of Cook County requesting an injunction to prevent the Nazis from parading in uniform on the grounds that the presentation of the swastika was a symbolic assault. Judge Joseph Wosik sided with the Village. The NSPA could not march. Skokie continued to fortify its defense. Over the course of 1977, the Village created three new ordinances to keep the Nazis out and Goldberger worked to lift the injunction. On January 27, 1978, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled that the NSPA’s march could not constitutionally be prohibited, nor could the public presentation of the swastika. The final barrier—Skokie’s ordinances—collapsed on February 23, 1978 when the District Courts ruled them unconstitutional as well. Skokie had lost. The Nazis had their freedom of speech. Collin set a date: June 25, 1978. [7]

    As the date approached, tension built. Counter-demonstrations were organized, and supporters of the village residents flocked to the Chicago suburb. But Frank Collin and the NSPA never marched through Skokie. The Chicago Park District waived the $250,000 insurance requirement five days before the march, allowing the Nazis to hold their demonstration in Marquette Park as originally planned. [8]

    By the 1970s, many Jewish residents of Skokie wanted to forget the horrors they had experienced. The American Nazis forced them to remember. Today, the attitude in the Village is different: they will never forget. On April 9, 2009 the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Education Center opened in Skokie. The Museum pledges itself to the remembrance of the victims of the Holocaust and the continued education and prevention of bigotry and genocide. The Museum dedicates an exhibit to the attempted march of the Nazis in 1977, ensuring these events will never again slip into the outskirts of memory. ◊



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    and my favorite line from The Blues Brothers is still

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    SandRider wrote:and my favorite line from The Blues Brothers is still

    Cab Calloway: Shee-it. Wass anotha ol' nigga to da Bode o' Educashun ?



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    Postby TheDukester » 29 Jan 2010 19:05

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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 11 Feb 2010 17:30

    Hey, thought I'd update this thread with some interesting new news in Canada's anti-racism fight.

    Now, normally I am NOT one to aplaud someone's freedom of speach being trampled, but every right has a limit.

    What I just heard is that one of our Courts has ruled against some neo-nazi white power parents. The full story is in the link below, but basically 2 kids have been taken away from their parents because of how they were being rasied, and the Courts are supporting child services on this one. The nail in the coffin was apparently that the kids were showing emotional trauma as a result of being raised in a way that was incompatible with our society, and as such it qualified as child abuse.

    The parents, needless to say are pissed, saying that this is communism because the government is stealing their kids based on nothing but their beliefs, and stomping on their right to raise their children with their beliefs.

    Some might say slippery slope, but I see a world of potential here. If we can take children away from biggots it will be harder for biggotry to be sustained. Also, this could eventually expand to parents raising their children as religious extemists, which would be excellent. Yes, it could potentially get out of control, but every good thing has the potential to get out of control and turn into a terrible thing.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... nipeg.html
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    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 12 Feb 2010 00:20

    lotek wrote:
    chanilover wrote:Well there was Scummypuke. :lol: The demented Aussie ice cream sales guy.


    google search

    :lol: :lol:

    ^
    Dude, reading any of scummypuke's post from beginning to end is a guaranteed way to become mentally ill.

    lol. did i miss something?
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    Postby SandRider » 12 Feb 2010 14:00

    Klan 78 is on the march on the Edwardian Plateau again :

    http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/f ... -on-lawns/

    The Ku Klux Klan apparently is on a membership drive once again in Abilene.

    On Monday residents in several neighborhoods reported finding KKK materials thrown on their driveways.

    A Klan representative who declined to be identified confirmed that 1,000 fliers were distributed in neighborhoods throughout Abilene on Sunday night with “more to follow.”

    The leaflets were rolled up, wrapped in plastic bags and weighted with rocks.

    The documents were thrown in several neighborhoods, including areas around Tanglewood and Leggett streets.

    “It makes me nervous to know that people with hatred in their hearts have been in our neighborhood near our children,” Rebecca McMillon said. “God created all of us, and we are all equal. To leave this propaganda out for kids to pick up is not right.”

    The materials, which urge residents to “Save Our Land, Join the Klan,” come from the United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, apparently from Klan No. 78. The e-mail address on the materials appears to be from Abilene. The documents claim that the Klan is strongly opposed to “Nazis, White Nationalists and Skinhead movements.”

    “I don’t like anyone coming on my property and throwing things, especially the KKK,” said one resident who did not want to be identified.

    The pamphlets claim that the group is a “law abiding White Christian organization.”

    “The UWK (United White Knights) cautiously seek out God-fearing, moral men and women to continue our noble fight for survival of the White race,” the pamphlet reads. “Make no mistake; we are not here for your entertainment or to advance thug gang tactics.”

    The Klan representative deferred further comment to the Imperial Wizard of the State of Texas, who could not be reached for comment Monday night.

    Other residents regarded the leaflets as garbage.

    “Most people are just going to throw this away and never look at it,” said Alice Wright. “But I don’t like stuff thrown in my yard.”

    This is the second time in six months that the Klan has passed out leaflets in Abilene neighborhoods. In August, 400 leaflets were distributed throughout the city.



    during the last little episode like (mentioned above) I did some investigating
    in a "semi-official" capacity as an SCV Officer - turned up atleast two of our
    members involved, drummed them out - that was at the formation of "Klan #78"
    when they organized into the UWK. I got a bad feeling I probably know some of
    the people involved this time, too. This group has been laying real low, all I've
    ever heard about is a lot of live fire exercises on a ranch out by Snyder. I don't
    think I've got time to get all het-up about them before I head to Corpus ...
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 12 Feb 2010 14:06

    Scary shit for sure, makes me wish I was more of a violent person sometimes...


    The Aryan Guard in Calgary actually firebombed the house of the leader of the Anti-Racism group in town, while he, his wife and his KIDS were sleeping.

    People like that should be put in front a firing squad, starting at the feet and working their way slowly upwards.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 12 Feb 2010 14:06

    SandRider wrote:
    during the last little episode like (mentioned above) I did some investigating
    in a "semi-official" capacity as an SCV Officer - turned up atleast two of our
    members involved, drummed them out - that was at the formation of "Klan #78"
    when they organized into the UWK. I got a bad feeling I probably know some of
    the people involved this time, too. This group has been laying real low, all I've
    ever heard about is a lot of live fire exercises on a ranch out by Snyder. I don't
    think I've got time to get all het-up about them before I head to Corpus ...


    What's the SCV? The company you work for?
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    Postby nampigai » 12 Feb 2010 14:17

    A Thing of Eternity wrote:Scary shit for sure, makes me wish I was more of a violent person sometimes...


    The Aryan Guard in Calgary actually firebombed the house of the leader of the Anti-Racism group in town, while he, his wife and his KIDS were sleeping.

    People like that should be put in front a firing squad, starting at the feet and working their way slowly upwards.


    why waste bullets? there's plenty of water to drown them in and robe can be re-used!

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    SCV - Sons of Confederate Veterans
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 12 Feb 2010 15:53

    Wow, you are old! :shock:
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    :sarek:
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 22 Mar 2010 22:47

    Freakzilla wrote:
    A Thing of Eternity wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:It's sad to think there are racist Dune fans. :crazy:


    It's truly bizarre... I wonder if the fool was smart enough to clue in that the most badass race of people in the book are brown, and that the entire metaphor of spice is making fun of the dependency on oil (I'm not sure why, but white-supremists seem to always be super-capitalist oil-lovers).


    I don't think anyone is accusing them of being smart. :P


    Well, most of them were smart enough not to show up this year (I'm granting them a little leeway by atributing their absense to intelligence. Might have been some other facet of their character).

    What a goof. Look forward to meeting all these "fine" folks this spring. :evil:


    Try not to get hurt.


    No worries, I never wanted any violence anyways, just a chance to remind the fools that they aren't welcome here.

    Unfortunately the rally was a bit of a dissapointment, there were only 4 of the fools that showed up at all as far as I could see, no real march like the last couple years. Less anti-racists showed up as well to be fair, but that was probably mostly due to the fact that everyone was under the impression that the Aryan Guard had more or less imploded (which it has), as well as the fact that the event organisers pretty much made it into a communism rally (I'm fine with the communists, but that wasn't the time or place for their messages).
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    Postby chanilover » 23 Mar 2010 17:16

    HAHA! Love your sig pic, Thing! So the racists were a no-show? Meh, even militants are becoming apathetic.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 23 Mar 2010 18:09

    Remember, they're "not" racists, they're just a white pride group. :lol:

    :roll:

    Man, they'd have to think we were preschoolers to fall for that charade - the truly sad thing is that I think they've repeated it so many times that some of them have started to believe it!
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    Postby SandRider » 24 Mar 2010 00:53

    one the arguments I've had with the SCV from here to Columbia, Tennessee
    is this "Heritage not Hate" slogan - if you want it on a sticker or something on
    your truck, fine by me, by they've put it on stickers and shirts with the SCV logo ...

    HQ in Columbia has been overly-concerned with trying to drum in separation between
    the SCV and the Klan since the 50s or so, but in the past years it's come around again
    with the "League of the South" boys (several SCV in Arkansas that got tossed out of the
    SCV for their white-politics ...

    now, I support what was done to the LOS boys, and I'll support kicking any member or
    camp that use the SCV and/or SCV name for activities that are better left to the Klan.

    but I just don't get into all that defensive bullshit ... "Heritage not Hate" is stupid as fuck,
    as far as slogans go - number one, the people involved with the SCV know what it's about,
    and those who don't think "he doth protest too much" - and personally, I don't give two
    good goddamns what anybody thinks of me if they see me in uniform or in my farm truck with
    the 3rd National Flag sticker on the bumper, or in one of the white button down dress shirts
    with the SCV logo on the chest ..... I don't care what you think of me; I don't care what you
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    Postby Xenu » 24 Mar 2010 05:55

    If you think it's bad in the US, go to South Africa, racism, and especially "Boer Supremacy" still runs rampant, there are militia groups there that travel around white communities armed with automatic assault shotguns to "keep the peace" in the white-only communities. Louis Theroux made a decent program about it, all YouTube yielded was this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK65XBpjXI

    But watching the show really gives you the creeps, one of the white supremacists even lets his 14 year old daughter be armed and travel along with him on his err 'patrols', there's something very disturbing about seeing a 14 year old girl being armed with a large weapon by her father who thinks that any blacks that trespass on his property are fair game.

    Heck, one of the main racists featured in the documentary was later sentenced to a substantial amount of jailtime for attempted murder of one of his employees(whom was black.)

    Over here in Sweden though I'd say "white racism" isn't the biggest problem when it comes to actual racism-motivated violence.

    It's far more common with violence between different foreign groups, for example Iranians that hate Iraqis, Egyptians that hate Libyans and so forth.

    Anyway, It's sad that prejudice and hate like this is still so rampant in the world.

    But on the bright side, we have made a lot of progress in the past century especially.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 24 Mar 2010 11:29

    It's getting better slowly in most places from what I can tell, there are flare-ups from time to time, but these loosers will slowly die out. I wish it would go faster rather than slower, but if it takes time it takes time.

    For now I just plan on letting all the people who live around me in Canada know, that regardless of their place of birth or ethnicity, they're Canadians now (even if they're not citizens I consider them Canadians), and I'm standing behind them. Anyone fucks with them fucks with me.

    I realized too that when I defend other peoples from racism I'm not just defending them, I'm defending myself. A lot of people are racist against all white people, and a lot of that comes from the fact that we have so many dumb racist rednecks. When I help shut them down, I take away some of the reason for other people's racism - chain reaction hopefully.
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    Postby Xenu » 25 Mar 2010 05:04

    I just saw a very interesting documentary from the USA, first episode in a series, called "The American Hate", it had a focus on the first episode on black nationalism movements such as the New Black Panthers.

    Anyway it was interesting to see and I recommend it, because there you have a notable number of black people who want a segregated society that elevates them above the white man, and they preach superiority over white men.

    I'm glad that they show this documentary over here because over here it's considered sooo politically incorrect to call a non-white person racist or insinuate that they are.

    These organizations generally have their own 'black' Christianity which teaches you that both Jesus and his mother were not ethnically Jewish, but black africans.

    It's interesting to see that there are somewhat big 'black power' groups just like there are 'white power' ones.

    It's important to show that there are hate groups composed of more than just white people, but also other ethnic groups as well.
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    Postby lotek » 25 Mar 2010 05:11

    Xenu wrote:It's interesting to see that there are somewhat big 'black power' groups just like there are 'white power' ones.


    and both are equally stupid :)

    hey there you go, equality in stupidity, that sounds like a good slogan!
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    Postby Aquila ka-Hecate » 25 Mar 2010 06:02

    Xenu wrote:If you think it's bad in the US, go to South Africa, racism, and especially "Boer Supremacy" still runs rampant, there are militia groups there that travel around white communities armed with automatic assault shotguns to "keep the peace" in the white-only communities. Louis Theroux made a decent program about it, all YouTube yielded was this.


    I'm sorry - I'm at work and can't use YouTube, so I'll have to wait to see that vid., but I must say I'm surprised.
    At this point, I'd have to tell you that ANC loud-mouth led racism is way more rampant than pathetic little Afrikaaner dreams of past supremacy.

    I'll get back to you. :D
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    Postby Mr. Teg » 25 Mar 2010 06:24

    A Thing of Eternity wrote:
    For now I just plan on letting all the people who live around me in Canada know, that regardless of their place of birth or ethnicity, they're Canadians now (even if they're not citizens I consider them Canadians), and I'm standing behind them. Anyone fucks with them fucks with me.



    Likewise, Canadians are Americans (even if they're not citizens) and I stand behind them. Anyone fucks with them fucks with me. :wink:
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    Postby Xenu » 25 Mar 2010 06:59

    lotek wrote:
    Xenu wrote:It's interesting to see that there are somewhat big 'black power' groups just like there are 'white power' ones.


    and both are equally stupid :)

    hey there you go, equality in stupidity, that sounds like a good slogan!

    Heh, indeed! :D
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