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    Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 10 Feb 2010 06:37

    http://binarydissent.com/?p=136

    Just read that. And then proceed to throw up. Then respond to this insanity.
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby lotek » 10 Feb 2010 06:46

    do you think the CIA controls the Hack?

    I reckon their plan is to prevent the awakening of curiosity caused by FH's writing by muddling it with special K's crap :)
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby Apjak » 10 Feb 2010 11:18

    If you want to look for government mind-control efforts, the better places to look would be public schools and the military, those bastions of psychological conditioning. Why would we even try it from space, if we do only a mediocre job of it on the ground?

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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby smugetsu » 10 Feb 2010 12:54

    In the book Men Who Stare at Goats, the author states that he had been informed that the FBI/CIA had used (or attempted to use) psychological warfare against David Koresh in the Waco siege. The author seemed somewhat skeptical, and so am I.

    Of course, the term "psychological warfare" can include many things, such as blasting various Metallica records at top volume at 0400 hours when people are trying to sleep. While not mind control per se, lack of sleep can cause a lot of issues.

    I would believe that at one point the CIA would have been interested in mind control and other such things, but I'm sure they dropped the idea when they realized it was, you know, bullshit.
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SandRider » 10 Feb 2010 15:30

    first off, their quote at the top "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
    is attributed to JFK - that's just wrong (and stupid) - Howard Zinn first used
    that line not 6 or 7 years ago about the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    somewhere along the way, the innerwebz got to giving Thomas Jefferson
    credit as the wordsmith, and shit's been out of control ever since .... I
    heard the President use the phrase the other day (and attribute it to Jefferson ...)
    (so his staffers google stuff and don't double-check - :roll: )

    as to the article, my first thought was: there's a whole lot of bullshit
    patented that doesn't work, or couldn't ever work; so a patent is proof of nothing,
    save the Patent Office likes its fees ....

    the comment section is worth it, tho.... :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 10 Feb 2010 17:24

    True. True. But just the concept of tracking people by their EEG reading still disturbs me. Greatly.
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SadisticCynic » 10 Feb 2010 17:55

    reverendmotherQ. wrote:True. True. But just the concept of tracking people by their EEG reading still disturbs me. Greatly.


    I don't think you have to worry about that. A major problem with such an idea is the detection of the signals from such a distance. Surely such small electric potentials would be completely obscured by everything else in the way. Also, from a very quick scan of Wiki (I didn't know what EEG is):

    A typical adult human EEG signal is about 10µV to 100 µV in amplitude when measured from the scalp [11] and is about 10–20 mV when measured from subdural electrodes.



    That is a really small and localised potential and also, notably, is not unique to individuals. So tracking individuals at least is probably ruled out. Indeed the move from subdural to scalp decreases readings by about 10^3, supporting my earlier point about the distance problem.

    Just the first couple of things that popped into my head...
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby Ampoliros » 10 Feb 2010 19:47

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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SandRider » 10 Feb 2010 22:08

    there was a major tin-foil-hat discussion somewhere .... here ?
    crazy welsh dude, extremely disturbing webpage .....

    the SandChigger remembers and will provide ....


    I just don't get excited about future governmental abuses of technology,
    one, because I won't live to see most of it, and two, governments have
    been fucking over citizens since the first elected cave council .... and
    I've heard so many doomsayers in my life .... Nixon taking America
    off the gold standard was supposed to plunge us into chaos (not that
    anything but total financial bullshit and banking crimes have happened
    since, but still, we survived) .... bar code readers were the precursors
    to the implants for buying & selling (mark of the beast, &etc) .... cell
    phones + GPS tech was going to give the Men in Black our exact location
    at all times ... and it has and so what .... I hope the government
    can figure out how to read my mind .... thinking loudly: fuck off & die

    I had to pay Bank of America $6 today to cash one of their OWN FUCKING CHECKS ....
    I told the teller "damn, I figured that $700 billion woulda covered that ..."

    they asked for it, tho ... three different hags tried to get me to open an account ...
    I told them I had once had a Bank of America account, but I had pulled all the money out
    - they asked if there had been some problem ? I laughed out loud and said "well, hell,
    if your bank is too big to fail, I figured I'd do what I could to help..."

    and my accountant tells me I didn't pay enough on the federal income tax last year ....
    I'm very seriously considering just not filing anymore, ever ... by the time they figger it
    out and come looking for blood-money, I'll be long in the grave ....

    what the fuck was I talking about ?
    what time is it ?

    awww, shit ...
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SandChigger » 10 Feb 2010 22:22

    I just imagine government analysts trying to make anything of that ^^^ and rest assured that it will never happen. :)
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby TheDukester » 10 Feb 2010 22:53

    reverendmotherQ. wrote:But just the concept of tracking people by their EEG reading still disturbs me.

    Well, considering the people doing the tracking would have to be standing right next to you, I'd think it would be easier if they just ... you know ... used their eyes for the tracking. :wink:
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 11 Feb 2010 09:01

    SadisticCynic wrote:
    reverendmotherQ. wrote:True. True. But just the concept of tracking people by their EEG reading still disturbs me. Greatly.


    I don't think you have to worry about that. A major problem with such an idea is the detection of the signals from such a distance. Surely such small electric potentials would be completely obscured by everything else in the way. Also, from a very quick scan of Wiki (I didn't know what EEG is):

    A typical adult human EEG signal is about 10µV to 100 µV in amplitude when measured from the scalp [11] and is about 10–20 mV when measured from subdural electrodes.



    That is a really small and localised potential and also, notably, is not unique to individuals. So tracking individuals at least is probably ruled out. Indeed the move from subdural to scalp decreases readings by about 10^3, supporting my earlier point about the distance problem.

    Just the first couple of things that popped into my head...


    Thank you for looking into that. That fact makes this whole thread seem a little silly now that I am finding out new information to consider the potential truth that could be beneath this subject.


    I suppose what was frightening is the idea of someone messing with the greatest asset of the human species - the mind. To me that's sacrilege in the highest degree.
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 11 Feb 2010 09:03

    SandRider wrote:there was a major tin-foil-hat discussion somewhere .... here ?
    crazy welsh dude, extremely disturbing webpage .....

    the SandChigger remembers and will provide ....


    I just don't get excited about future governmental abuses of technology,
    one, because I won't live to see most of it, and two, governments have
    been fucking over citizens since the first elected cave council .... and
    I've heard so many doomsayers in my life .... Nixon taking America
    off the gold standard was supposed to plunge us into chaos (not that
    anything but total financial bullshit and banking crimes have happened
    since, but still, we survived) .... bar code readers were the precursors
    to the implants for buying & selling (mark of the beast, &etc) .... cell
    phones + GPS tech was going to give the Men in Black our exact location
    at all times ... and it has and so what .... I hope the government
    can figure out how to read my mind .... thinking loudly: fuck off & die

    I had to pay Bank of America $6 today to cash one of their OWN FUCKING CHECKS ....
    I told the teller "damn, I figured that $700 billion woulda covered that ..."

    they asked for it, tho ... three different hags tried to get me to open an account ...
    I told them I had once had a Bank of America account, but I had pulled all the money out
    - they asked if there had been some problem ? I laughed out loud and said "well, hell,
    if your bank is too big to fail, I figured I'd do what I could to help..."

    and my accountant tells me I didn't pay enough on the federal income tax last year ....
    I'm very seriously considering just not filing anymore, ever ... by the time they figger it
    out and come looking for blood-money, I'll be long in the grave ....

    what the fuck was I talking about ?
    what time is it ?

    awww, shit ...


    I want to go back to the days where we actually became fucking pissed about any tax raise. Then no one would role their eyes at me when I say that they are thieves incognito with the disguise of authorization of law.
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby Lundse » 11 Feb 2010 09:17

    reverendmotherQ. wrote:I suppose what was frightening is the idea of someone messing with the greatest asset of the human species - the mind. To me that's sacrilege in the highest degree.


    "Thou shalt not disfigure the soul!"

    I am not investing in tinfoil hats, at the moment - but I am afraid of the socalled 'mundane' ways in which we are being (mind)-controlled. I think it is extremely important to try and be aware, especially of manipulation, but also all the various impressions, benign and malicious, we are taking in constantly. As the rate of such exchanges go up (I am thinking of the expanding global communications network), this becomes proportionally more important.

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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby lotek » 11 Feb 2010 09:25

    Lundse wrote:Mind you head! (It's what they're after...)

    not only ;)
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SandRider » 11 Feb 2010 12:13

    rmQ wrote:I suppose what was frightening is the idea of someone messing with the greatest asset of the human species - the mind. To me that's sacrilege in the highest degree.


    nothing silly about that - humans have been working on mind control of other humans
    since cave-man days .... and with the technology-curve and the inherent evil bent
    of religion & government, they may succeed - I just don't that it will be that
    big of a deal - of course, that's what they want me to think ...


    rmQ wrote:I want to go back to the days where we actually became fucking pissed about any tax raise.


    I'd like to go back to the days when the Supreme Court handed down a decision,
    like say, "federal income tax is unconstitutional" (1913), and the government
    honored the ruling ...

    also: obligatory Andy Jackson reference -
    "The Court have made their decision - let them enforce it."
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SadisticCynic » 14 Feb 2010 19:23

    SandRider wrote:
    .... thinking loudly: fuck off & die


    You know, I'd love to be in the room when they pick up that thought. :lol:
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby SandRider » 15 Feb 2010 00:09

    I send them a postcard once a month .... :drool:
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    Re: Mind control the thing of science fiction? I think not.

    Postby lotek » 15 Feb 2010 12:24

    something like this?
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