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    Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby HarryCanyon » 12 Nov 2010 05:51

    I mean ever noticed that?
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Serkanner » 12 Nov 2010 06:13

    What the fuck are you talking about this time?
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Nekhrun » 12 Nov 2010 08:23

    You've got a pretty fucked way of trying to start a conversation. Why they hell is everything a question with you? Just say what you mean to say and take a stance on something. No one here is going to write your paper for you.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 08:26

    Are two stories that use similar themes the same ?

    Obviously not...
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby SandChigger » 12 Nov 2010 08:35

    HarryCanyon wrote:I mean ever noticed that?

    No. GitS actually has some depth. :)
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 11:50

    and lesbian sex scenes(at least the manga does in the uncensored version)
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Ampoliros » 12 Nov 2010 12:40

    No.

    Ghost in the Shell maintained a plot, and only got better as the series went on. (Solid State Society excluded)

    The Matrix peaked and then spent an entire movie's worth of screen time wasting plot space and then crash-diving into a Neo saves us all ending that took another entire half of a movie. And I'm one of the very few people who liked the second film.

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby SadisticCynic » 12 Nov 2010 13:35

    Ampoliros wrote:No.

    Ghost in the Shell maintained a plot, and only got better as the series went on. (Solid State Society excluded)

    The Matrix peaked and then spent an entire movie's worth of screen time wasting plot space and then crash-diving into a Neo saves us all ending that took another entire half of a movie. And I'm one of the very few people who liked the second film.

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    I must comment, I really liked the second one as well; the third one sucked terribly though.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 14:43

    Ampoliros wrote:Next Question: Do Fanboys dream of electric fleshlights?
    ;

    I guess that's my next point ;)

    I always considered Matrix to be the Da Vinci Code of scifi, terribly confusing to people who didn't know any better, but for someone who struggled with the multiple layered levels of reality Ph. K. Dick toyed with it was like solving a puzzle with 5 pieces...

    Reloaded was fun because it didn't take itself for something it wasn't imo.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Kojiro » 13 Nov 2010 01:47

    What?

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby lotek » 13 Nov 2010 15:47

    you mean ever noticed that now surely ?
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Nov 2010 17:11

    lotek wrote:you mean ever noticed that now surely ?


    Huh? :?
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Kojiro » 13 Nov 2010 17:34

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Eyes High » 13 Nov 2010 17:58

    Okay now, how did I arrive in the land of Yoda?
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Shaitan » 13 Nov 2010 20:09

    The original Matrix had the "Star Wars Maneuver" down....open the story/movie with a powerful action scene, rush through the bare essentials of characterization so that you don't lose your momentum, and let the characters *actions* define them as much as their words. Never let that momentum of awe falter, never get bogged down in the details or lose sight of the arc of the main savior character.

    But then they completely dropped the ball later. They also tried to cram too much into too little screen time. A web series would have given them infinitely more flexibility, but it wouldn't have the support of the Hollywood monstrosity that allowed the first film its success. Not to mention, back then, to give them credit, the special effects were quite good. They could just have taken it so much farther than souped-up kung fu and a little (not enough, in the later movies, IMO) gunplay.

    The Matrix is another must-watch entry in my list of inspiration films...but more as an example of what to avoid than what to mimic. It did so many things well, and failed all that much more painfully for it. It's a abject lesson for someone like me who at the time those films came out, had most of the same ideas I have today....but lacked the foundation to follow through in the way that I'd like to now. I can use that example to talk myself permanently out of ever entering into major creative endeavors, but if I can escape that trap, they can be very useful as cautionary tails of how not to squander the potential created by the collective imaginations of fans.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Nekhrun » 13 Nov 2010 20:33

    lotek wrote:you mean ever noticed that now surely ?

    Don't call me Shirley.

    (It's just not quite the same when you write it.)
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Nov 2010 20:36

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby lotek » 13 Nov 2010 21:22

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    lotek wrote:you mean ever noticed that now surely ?

    Don't call me Shirley.

    (It's just not quite the same when you write it.)


    I knew that ringed a bell !


    And I liked the Matrix, I just regret it didn't go deeper into the theme of reality, when it had so much potential to play with our minds.
    I suspect a bit of dumbing down so that it would appeal to a larger audience but then again I am a bit paranoid :)
    (a Pare one would say)

    I just don't like it when a story gives itself up too easily.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Nov 2010 21:29

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Abraxas » 18 Nov 2010 09:35

    Definitely some similarities, but Ghost in the Shell borrows a lot from other sources as well. Blade Runner is all over that movie.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Shaitan » 18 Nov 2010 18:49

    Generally, the better something is, the more it tends to borrow from *somewhere.* But the truly great find unique ways to surprise you along the way, and create something truly new in the process. There's a ceiling beneath which "good" stories just rehash and regurgitate even if they're well-executed in some respects. I'm still trying to decide if I think that the Matrix really *added* anything to its influences.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby inhuien » 19 Nov 2010 07:17

    Shaitan wrote:I'm still trying to decide if I think that the Matrix really *added* anything to its influences.

    It brought karate to metaphysics, it sure didn't expand our understanding of Being.
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby Freakzilla » 19 Nov 2010 08:04

    inhuien wrote:
    Shaitan wrote:I'm still trying to decide if I think that the Matrix really *added* anything to its influences.

    It brought karate to metaphysics, it sure didn't expand our understanding of Being.


    It took away the spoon. :(
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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby inhuien » 19 Nov 2010 11:12

    Freakzilla wrote:
    inhuien wrote:
    Shaitan wrote:I'm still trying to decide if I think that the Matrix really *added* anything to its influences.

    It brought karate to metaphysics, it sure didn't expand our understanding of Being.


    It took away the spoon. :(

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    Re: Are Ghost in The Shell and The Matrix the same?

    Postby SadisticCynic » 19 Nov 2010 11:58

    It does allow you to eat around corners though...
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