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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Apr 2011 04:59

Contributed.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Apr 2011 10:57

Dammit I knew I should have saved that comment, they deleted my last one.
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Apr 2011 12:02

Ampoliros wrote:Hmm, well I guess I'll have to guess at what warrented the deletion of my last post. My response was to Xour to let him know that the rest of the book, which I have finished, does not answer his questions.

This excerpt deals with a pivotal example:

Look at the cover. Read the excerpt, specifically the part where the storms:

-"whip-lightning skittered along the street, etching black lines of melted dust"

-"We have worse weather than any other DZ world. Our climatologists have to rewrite their models after each major storm"

-"surface to sky bursts tore up the landscape, exploding little craters in the dirt"

Now of course these storms are set here to build the background for Hellhole as a dangerous and vicious environment where people have to struggle to survive. The storms are hundreds of kilometers across, and we're told the warning alarms for the storm gave them minutes if not seconds to get to shelter. Right now the audience has a reasonable amount of dramatic tension.

Then, in an attempt to show that Hellhole wants to appear more civilized, the authors mention that Sophie has "low hills covered in a courduroy of grapevines" and the authors mention that dust from the storm might damage them. Now look at the cover and put a vineyard there. Throw in wheat fields and some cattle ranches.

Do you see what I mean when I say one thing is true at one point of the story and another thing is true at another point of the story? Now if it was one thing, or a few small errors, that's excusable, any author can make a few mistakes. But this is a blatant disregard for continuity, and for what? So Hellhole can appear both dangerous yet somehow tamed? Errors like this make serious readers stop dead in their tracks.



Thanks again Rob for mentioning the cover!
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby inhuien » 12 Apr 2011 12:11

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandChigger » 12 Apr 2011 12:22

I didn't see that comment, either, Amp, just now when I posted mine (I prefer short & tart and to the point; less angst when they delete! :P ):

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How often does TOR release nearly one fifth of a book as a sample?


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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Apr 2011 12:25

Really? I wondered whether they were deleting posts. What was the gist of it, Amp?

My tl;dr one seems to still be there. I hope our editor friend replies.

Edited to add: Oops; should read the posts that post-blocked me. Never mind Amp. And nice one, Chig. Sometimes short and sweet is more effective.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Robspierre » 12 Apr 2011 12:36

SandChigger wrote:I didn't see that comment, either, Amp, just now when I posted mine (I prefer short & tart and to the point; less angst when they delete! :P ):

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How often does TOR release nearly one fifth of a book as a sample?


(Nice one, HBJ. So who's this tnh twat again?)



tnh= Teresa Nielsen Hayden She of the thin skin. Her husband is a better editor than she is.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandChigger » 12 Apr 2011 12:46

Ah. Thanks, Rob.

So she always gets her nipples tied up in knots that easily? That's good to know. :lol:

And this just in:

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Just finished this book and loved it. Can't wait until the next 2 are published. I want to thank the authors for all the years of enjoyment that I've gotten thru their writtings.

Writtings. As in, "things that they have writ"? :roll:

Fuuuuuuck. :laughing-rolling:

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Robspierre » 12 Apr 2011 12:49

SandChigger wrote:Ah. Thanks, Rob.

So she always gets her nipples tied up in knots that easily? That's good to know. :lol:


Outside the science-fiction community, Nielsen Hayden is probably best known for her weblog,[citation needed] Making Light, where she writes about a wide range of subjects such as animal hoarding, publishing scams, astroturfing,[6] and global political events. She is the first recorded Internet editor to practice disemvoweling of the entire text of offensive posts; the term itself was coined in a Making Light post by Arthur Hlavaty.[7] She was the first lead comments moderator at the popular blog Boing Boing when it reopened its comments feature in 2007. In June, 2008, a controversy on Boing Boing concerning the "unpublication" of all articles that mention Sex-Columnist Violet Blue has generated criticism of some of her moderation techniques, including disemvowelment


She's a fucking twit.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Serkanner » 12 Apr 2011 12:50

Ampoliros wrote:I did post an edited review on Goodreads.com

If any of you are members there, friend me!


Blah blah blah I managed to become friends with Rob though :D

EDIT: Nevermind ... I found the review.
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandChigger » 12 Apr 2011 12:52

OH SHIT, HER?!

Right, right, right, I remember her now: the Disemvoweler Cunt! :laughing:

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Apr 2011 13:29

In retrospect I might not have filled the anti-spam thing out. I was running out the door when I posted it. We shall see, and I already hv rspns wrttn!
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandChigger » 12 Apr 2011 13:37

Did you read the Talifan blog that Cassy linked to on GoodReads?

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Apr 2011 13:57

Yeah. It was written by a moron-shill. Probably a member of Al-KJAida. I skimmed it when I realized all he was doing was demonizing talifans as being one step above the actual Taliban. "If you disagree you are an evil terrorist" was what I got out of it.
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby D Pope » 12 Apr 2011 14:02

Al-KJAida is brilliant!
Amp has done it again!
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

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Ampoliros wrote:Yeah. It was written by a moron-shill. Probably a member of Al-KJAida. I skimmed it when I realized all he was doing was demonizing talifans as being one step above the actual Taliban. "If you disagree you are an evil terrorist" was what I got out of it.


:lol: ... brilliant.
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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Kojiro » 12 Apr 2011 15:19

Robspierre wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Ah. Thanks, Rob.

So she always gets her nipples tied up in knots that easily? That's good to know. :lol:


Outside the science-fiction community, Nielsen Hayden is probably best known for her weblog,[citation needed] Making Light, where she writes about a wide range of subjects such as animal hoarding, publishing scams, astroturfing,[6] and global political events. She is the first recorded Internet editor to practice disemvoweling of the entire text of offensive posts; the term itself was coined in a Making Light post by Arthur Hlavaty.[7] She was the first lead comments moderator at the popular blog Boing Boing when it reopened its comments feature in 2007. In June, 2008, a controversy on Boing Boing concerning the "unpublication" of all articles that mention Sex-Columnist Violet Blue has generated criticism of some of her moderation techniques, including disemvowelment


She's a fucking twit.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Apr 2011 15:29

D Pope wrote:Al-KJAida is brilliant!
Amp has done it again!
:lol: :clap: :clap:
:D


Gotta agree. That's brilliant.

Edited to add: Frankly, I'm surprised that tnh pulled out the "personal opinion" card when responding to posts about the excerpt. If she's an editor, she should know better. That sounds arrogant and condescending, I know, but hell, I'm neither a writer nor an editor, but if I can point to that paragraph, and this one over here, and that passage there, and this misused word here and explain why the writing just doesn't work, then she should be able to see it, too.

Read a chapter of Hellhole and then read a chapter from an author who can actually write. It's really not hard to see the difference.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Apr 2011 16:32

It says alot if she is the editor.

as for the Al-KJAida thing that came from long ago, in this thread:http://www.jacurutu.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=736

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Robspierre » 12 Apr 2011 17:04

From the acknowledgements page:

Editor at TOR: Pat LoBrutto
Editor at Simon & Schuster UK: Maxine Hitchcock

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Apr 2011 18:52

Ah, not *the* editor, then. Just *an* editor.

Thanks, Rob.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandChigger » 12 Apr 2011 21:26

Amp, did you see the comment from Irene? Looks like it might have been a problem with their default preview-first/submit-with-captcha commenting setup.

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Re: Smellhole Notes.

Postby SandRider » 13 Apr 2011 10:56

SandChigger wrote:Did you read the Talifan blog that Cassy linked to on GoodReads?


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Re: Smellhole Notes.

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SandRider wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Did you read the Talifan blog that Cassy linked to on GoodReads?


post links, please ...


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Postby SandRider » 13 Apr 2011 13:55

thankee ... i can haz linx to goodread review ? can post comments w/o account ?
hates register, hates ... i give email for spam, u let me comment, yes ?
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