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    Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby lotek » 31 Aug 2012 08:41

    Part one :

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    http://business.time.com/2012/04/12/how ... -millions/

    Threatened by an upstart, potentially existential digital rival, five major publishing houses joined with Apple in a conspiracy to raise e-book prices, costing consumers millions of dollars, the complaint charges.


    Part two :

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/ ... tatements/
    Apple’s Closing Statements: Samsung Products ‘Substantially the Same’ as Ours

    Apple said it spent four years, from 2003 to 2007, developing and honing the iPhone’s design. The design period for the Galaxy S was three months.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Naïve mind » 31 Aug 2012 11:33

    I understand that publishing in the US is increasingly dominated by the power of Amazon, and that these publishers joined Apple mostly because it seemed to be the lesser evil. It is hard for me to imagine; things are not so bad yet in Europe.

    To be honest, it frightens me that more and more of our popular culture is now distributed and monopolized by big, publicly-owned IT companies; Apple, Google, Amazon, all of them soulless bit merchants without one iota of taste or creativity in their makeup.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby lotek » 31 Aug 2012 11:50

    I'm also in Europe but I'm not sure we'll so well shielded from the global corporate business model.

    But my main point was to mock the apple dIe hards.

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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Apjak » 31 Aug 2012 12:57

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    Apple is a notorious patent troll, but intellectual property law in general needs to be much, much less profitable.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby lotek » 31 Aug 2012 14:33

    Apple was a great concept and I still remember the Apple II C fondly
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    but that's because it was my rich mate's dad who bought it at the time. I still have no idea how much he paid for it :)

    It was more of a old school beige though, or it could have been the smoke from the cigar smoke.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Freakzilla » 31 Aug 2012 15:37

    Everything Apple makes is too expensive and I'm not paying extra to be in their cult. If Samsung can make the same thing that works as well for less, that's who I'm buying from.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Nekhrun » 31 Aug 2012 16:29

    I don't think I'm in a cult or anything but I own and work with a number of Apple products pretty much all day long and can get probably twice as much work accomplished in a day as my co-workers with PC's. It's not about a cultish following, just superior productivity and functionality. Having this trackpad alone is worth switching. I'm two years into my switch and would never go back. I installed Ubuntu on all my other devices and an old Mac so that would probably be my 2nd choice.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby DuneFishUK » 31 Aug 2012 16:38

    I've given up hating companies that are only slightly evil - but anything less than a Bhopal is the mark of an amateur and just ain't worth it. Judge them on their goods and services.

    Facebook is sells advertising based on the data I give them, Google/Android services is tracking me 24/7, EA will ban you from all games (which you won't be able to sell) for something that someone else said and Amazon is one of the UK's biggest companies and yet pays virtually no UK tax.... but I post on Facebook, using my phone, and I've pre-ordered the new Medal of Honour on Amazon.

    I got my Mac for home and a new bells-and-whistles design workstation at work, within a week of each other. One is perpetually fucked and one works effortlessly. Yes, there are a legion of posing cultists with the same laptop as me, but who gives a shit - it's made of metal and it works. That's like saying that tossers drive German cars - entirely true, but I wouldn't say no to an Audi.

    They're all bastards. It's accepted practice. The latest round of patent battles is particularly pointless though. :(

    Skip to the 5 minute mark for the Apple stuff. (His other videos are definitely worth a watch, but this one is nicely to-the-point.)

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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Freakzilla » 31 Aug 2012 16:55

    An analogy I've heard was that it's like patenting the shape of an airplane.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Mr. Teg » 31 Aug 2012 20:43

    Nekhrun wrote:I don't think I'm in a cult or anything but I own and work with a number of Apple products pretty much all day long and can get probably twice as much work accomplished in a day as my co-workers with PC's. It's not about a cultish following, just superior productivity and functionality. Having this trackpad alone is worth switching. I'm two years into my switch and would never go back. I installed Ubuntu on all my other devices and an old Mac so that would probably be my 2nd choice.



    Me, too.
    I was in the process of switching to ubuntu when I got my first ipad.
    Huge difference at work and never looked back.

    Even before Apple was "in" I really loved the old cube.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby SandRider » 31 Aug 2012 22:40

    ... anything less than a Bhopal is the mark of an amateur...


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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Omphalos » 01 Sep 2012 02:02

    SandRider wrote:
    ... anything less than a Bhopal is the mark of an amateur...


    sig worthy


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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Robspierre » 01 Sep 2012 21:33

    My work computer is a piece of shit Dell. I do 95% of my work on my ipad or iphone, less frustration, better software/hardware integration, and does not go down five times a day.

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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Freakzilla » 01 Sep 2012 21:35

    My Dell at work hasn't crashed since I turned it on three years ago.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby lotek » 02 Sep 2012 08:09

    just to be sure, my point is not that apple stuff works better or not than any pc, just that it's vastly overpriced for what it is.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Nekhrun » 02 Sep 2012 10:45

    I'm not so sure, I'd pay more for something that works better, faster and makes me more efficient.

    :wink:

    I haven't restarted my MacBook Pro at home for over two months and it's working great. I can't say I've ever owned a PC that has gone more than a couple days without needing a restart (usually a forced one).
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Robspierre » 02 Sep 2012 16:21

    Apple actually isn't overpriced. When those claims are trotted out only a couple of components are compared. They do not compare quality of screen component used for example. You need to compare like for like across the entite machine. When you do that you end up with Apple machines within $50 or cheaper than the real equivalent from a PC manufacturer.

    A valid complaint would be Apple does not build a pure gaming console.


    Also, if Apple is so over priced, how come none of the other tablets on the market equal the specs of the iPad for a lower price point?

    Freak, I bet your work comp is a higher end model and not one designed for the lowest market denominator.

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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby DuneFishUK » 02 Sep 2012 19:08

    Build quality is a lot of it - I spent ages looking for a laptop, and they are almost all UTTER SHITE.

    If you want one that doesn't force itself apart when you open the flimsy flippy flappy plastic lid, your choices become limited - and more expensive. A bit more for a laptop CNC'd out of a solid lump of aluminium, whether it has a specific OS or not, is something you might choose to pay for.

    The iPad is overpriced IMHO... but people pay it, so capitalism wins. Look in the societal mirror and blame that person. :P

    (The downside to a metal laptop is that I keep putting dents in it... :oops: )
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Freakzilla » 02 Sep 2012 20:32

    Robspierre wrote:Freak, I bet your work comp is a higher end model and not one designed for the lowest market denominator.

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    Is there a low end Apple?
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby lotek » 03 Sep 2012 05:22

    Nekhrun wrote:I'm not so sure, I'd pay more for something that works better, faster and makes me more efficient.

    :wink:



    Mmmm I get your point.
    I guess it could be compared to buying amps and speakers, some top brands like Function One reach crazy prices but when you look at performances you realize that it's anything below that shouldn't exist.

    But it can't be that drastic with computers can it ?

    Maybe my title was a bit misleading since Apple does a lot of items, not all of them on the same utility level.

    I still have to try using a Mac, is it true you can only use iTunes with iT ? ^^

    But iPods ? No external memory now that's a rip-off.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby inhuien » 03 Sep 2012 06:11

    You spends your money you makes yours choices, me I've a mid range PC built to a tight budget and that Samsung phablet note, use what ya use. Would I like a better PC, yes. But these days it's food, mortgage, utils and opium, not always in that order.
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Mr. Teg » 03 Sep 2012 06:23

    inhuien wrote:You spends your money you makes yours choices...

    But these days it's food, mortgage, utils and opium, not always in that order.


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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Nekhrun » 03 Sep 2012 09:28

    Freakzilla wrote:
    Robspierre wrote:Freak, I bet your work comp is a higher end model and not one designed for the lowest market denominator.

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    Is there a low end Apple?

    Maybe not in the terms you are thinking of, but you can get a refurbished one on their site here: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac
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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby Robspierre » 03 Sep 2012 10:22

    The Mac Mini is the low end desktop machine. You provide the monitor, mouse, and keyboard.

    The refurb page is a great resource. Any Mac that is returned for ny reason, even if the customer just didn't like the machine, gets a complete tear down and checked for any potential defects before being put up for sale. Some offerings have pretty deep discounts, I've seen 26-33% often. Plus you get the full warranty and can still purchase AppleCare for the machine.

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    Re: Apple, the Great Rip-Off

    Postby inhuien » 03 Sep 2012 13:12

    this Apple vs non-Apple bs is unimportant. Moving on, when yer having mince and tatties, do you mash the tatties in the pot or the proper way on the plate with the mince and gravy served. And if some heathen mentions butter or milk there's gonna be a murder
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