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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby distrans » 20 Jan 2013 11:41

    Ex-Army Officer Accuses CIA of Obstructing Pre-9/11 Intelligence-Gathering
    Sunday, 20 January 2013 07:46 By Paul Church and Ray Nowosielski, Truthout


    Offering new revelations about the CIA's role in shutting down military intelligence penetration of al-Qaeda, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer joins a growing list of government officials accusing former CIA director George Tenet of misleading federal investigators and sharing some degree of blame for the 9/11 attacks.



    In the wake of the devastating African embassy bombings of 1998, which left more than 200 dead, US Special Operations Command (SOCOM) - responsible for the Pentagon's secret commando units - brought together specialists from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) to begin mapping the al-Qaeda network. Based in the Information Dominance Center - also referred to as Land Information Warfare Activity, or LIWA - at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, the team's advanced data-mining software found connections between known terrorists and subjects with matching profiles. This highly classified project was code-named Able Danger.

    The project first came to public attention in June 2005, nearly one year after the 9/11 Commission released its report, when Congressman Curt Weldon gave a special orders speech on the floor of the House of Representatives. Following attacks on Weldon's credibility, five Pentagon whistleblowers came forward to back up his claims, including Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, a CIA-trained senior intelligence operations officer, Bronze Star Medal recipient and reserve Army lieutenant colonel with more than 22 years in the intelligence community.

    Shaffer now claims the media's focus on the data-collection aspect of Able Danger missed the point. "Data mining kind of became, to use a film term, the MacGuffin," says Shaffer, a reference to a narrative device - often used in Alfred Hitchcock movies - which drives the plot while ultimately having no relevance to it. "That was the throwaway they wanted people to focus on. The overall project was something that covered the entire command structure of [SOCOM]. The project was put together to give the national command authority options."

    In other words, the collecting of information about al-Qaeda's cell structures was only meant to be a first step in a larger action to be taken using the data. "It wasn't simply an experiment. My actual assignment wasn't Able Danger. I could never testify to the actual operational objectives assigned to me and my unit for the purposes of Able Danger." The Able Danger project, portrayed in most media reports as a mere data-mining exercise, was in fact fully integrated into a larger military effort to target and disrupt al-Qaeda. Its actual capabilities and objectives remain classified.

    Shaffer contends that the most damning revelations lie in that still-classified aspect of the project, the operational side. Asked what the next step was to be against the so-called Brooklyn cell identified by Able Danger which he says included five of the 9/11 hijackers, Shaffer responded, "I can't talk about that."

    At the center of the military's intended action was a long-term asset recruited by DIA years before Able Danger, a retired Afghan general who had direct access to al-Qaeda activities in Afghanistan. "We had a clear access point to al-Qaeda we were using for our operational purposes," says Shaffer. "The asset was a separate operation we were going to use for access. We were going to use still-classified capabilities." That all changed when CIA got involved.


    http://truth-out.org/news/item/14008-ex ... -gathering
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Eyes High » 20 Jan 2013 18:48

    lotek wrote:
    SandRider wrote:
    SandRider wrote:
    Eyes High wrote:
    SadisticCynic wrote:
    Eyes High wrote:
    SandRider wrote:
    Eyes High wrote:SR I also wouldn't put it past you to start a conversation like this to see what would come about.


    banned for accusing me of trollin'

    wrong thread for that Papa Bear. :romance-kisscheek:


    (To be fair, I was havin' similar thoughts to you today Eyes. :) )

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    hold up, hold the fuck up ...
    are you attempting to implicate eyes high
    in some type of


    conspiracy ?? you better able to bak that up w/some
    YouVideos , or somthing ...


    glad to have you bak ;)


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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby distrans » 25 Jan 2013 09:43

    finally made it throught that linda video,

    amy goodmans an evil piece of gatekeeper shit
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Apjak » 25 Jan 2013 10:12

    SandRider wrote:
    conspiracy ?? you better able to bak that up w/some
    YouVideos , or somthing ...




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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Eyes High » 26 Jan 2013 00:39

    Apjak wrote:
    SandRider wrote:
    conspiracy ?? you better able to bak that up w/some
    YouVideos , or somthing ...




    Eyes High Sunk the Titanic!!!

    I's innocent I is. It's a fake. No one saw nuthin. I has an alibi Eyes does. :mrgreen:
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby SandRider » 26 Jan 2013 08:54

    distrans wrote:finally made it throught that linda video,



    Susan Lindauer's about the only person who's ever made
    any type of coherent sense on this subject ....

    Argument: The Government claims Lindauer is
    mentally unstable ....
    Rebuttal: of course she is; otherwise, her claims would
    have to be taken seriously & investigated ....
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby distrans » 26 Jan 2013 10:13

    granted!

    you going to help me finish taking a piss on amy now or not?
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby inhuien » 26 Jan 2013 13:40

    I don't know why you'd want to piss on Amy, but the only way I'd handle your dick would be at the end of 2 flaming touches. :)
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby distrans » 26 Jan 2013 14:15

    she,
    in pretense of being progressive, is instermental in keeping the power from being confronted with the most begging questions their actions raise

    shes a tool of power, not a challenge to it
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Eyes High » 26 Jan 2013 15:50

    Eyes High wrote:
    Apjak wrote:
    SandRider wrote:
    conspiracy ?? you better able to bak that up w/some
    YouVideos , or somthing ...




    Eyes High Sunk the Titanic!!!

    I's innocent I is. It's a fake. No one saw nuthin. I has an alibi Eyes does. :mrgreen:
    They're conspiring against me.



    Besides Apjak, my lovely; You should know I'm too hot to be that cold. ;-) :teasing-whipblue: :angelic-little:

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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby distrans » 26 Jan 2013 16:48

    fixation on linda's speaks of couning to the subject late
    an enginers understanding of forces made the fact plain from day one


    the general public today is a paltry example of
    anything its been supposedly the bulkward of in the past

    agreed?
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby SandRider » 27 Jan 2013 21:56

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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby leagued » 29 Jan 2013 07:31

    http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

    And here's a peer-reviewed article from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf. I fyou weren't sure, peer-review is how modern science is done. It supports the airplane-crash hypothesis for the fall of the towers; i.e. the official story.
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Freakzilla » 29 Jan 2013 07:51

    SandRider wrote:http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197500

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    That looks obviously fake to me.
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby SandRider » 29 Jan 2013 07:56

    I'm extremely familiar w/the debunking911 site, it's full of great information,
    facts & opinions ... it is itself, tho, a "conspiracy" site, and in no way answers
    all 9/11 questions .... yet another reason for an actual, independent investigation,
    if any independent actors could be found .... (maybe the Swiss ...)

    I also know what "peer-reviewed" means ...
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby SandRider » 31 Jan 2013 22:09

    Freakzilla wrote:
    SandRider wrote:http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197500

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    That looks obviously fake to me.


    I posted that while semi-bourbon drunk just to throw James Files
    into the thread, along with the tanglewooch of hard facts & bullshit
    that is the David Icke site ... but if'n y'all wanna get into the JFK-thing,
    I'm down for that ...
    (separate thread, of course, this'n here's for the srs bizns of 9/11)


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    not right now, tho ... I gotta get back to my Fallout:New Vegas;
    on this play-thru, I accidentally sliced an NCR major's head off w/
    the katana, and now all them basterd's is after me ....
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 01 Feb 2013 02:40

    SandRider wrote:I accidentally sliced an NCR major's head off ...


    Well, you *say* it was an accident ...

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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Mr. Teg » 18 Mar 2013 22:11

    The controversial film “Loose Change” had built a following over the years with its conspiratorial theories about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. On a decidedly less controversial note, Graham Putnam has uploaded a YouTube video entitled, “Luke’s Change,” which makes the humorous argument that the Skywalker family from the “Star Wars” saga actually staged the attack on the Death Star.

    In a decidedly satirical tone, Putnam describes the 7-minute film as, “An examination of some questionable events and circumstances leading up to the destruction of the Death Star, through the eyes of an amateur investigative journalist within the Star Wars galaxy.“

    Other than repeated references to Aldebaran rather than Alderaan, It’s a pretty humorous clip for Star Wars fans, raising such hard-hitting questions as, “What’s the likelihood that a squad of one-man attack ships, like the X-Wing, could penetrate the heavily fortified defense forces of a moon-sized battle station?”

    Throughout the video, Putnam challenges the “official story” and looks at the “family connections” between Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia and Darth Vader that may have been behind a giant conspiracy a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

    And in a final nod to the many edits made to the original edition of Loose Change,” Putnam declares, “All facts in this video were based on facts. Real facts. All events, names and places that are real are real. This video exists and all the facts in it are, I swear to God, true.”

    What do you think? Is the legend of the Skywalker family to be believed or is it simply the version of the story they want us to think is true?
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby leagued » 22 Mar 2013 20:55

    I was quite humored by the video. In addition to the "aldebaran" naming, there are several other errors throughout and I'm not sure if they were inserted purposefully as part of the satire or were actual lapses in Putnam's knowledge.
    -he states that all fighter craft other than's Luke's were destroyed
    -Mis-identifies both Briggs Darklighter and Jek Porkins as being Wedge Antilles
    -shows a wrong schematic for the Millenium Falcon and also misclassifies it as a type of Correllian fighter-craft rather than a stock light freighter. (I think he shows a YT-2000 schematic instead of a YT-1300)

    I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume these were intentional errors as part of the satire.
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby SandRider » 12 Dec 2013 23:34

    take your time & watch all 5 hours of this,
    in what-ever doses you can .... then, come back here
    & tell me again how I'M the delusional one ....

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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby Freakzilla » 13 Dec 2013 07:43

    I haven't watched your video, SR. I'm at work, BUT, I watched a show on 9-11 the other night, I think it was on Hulu? Anyway...

    My new thoughts on the subject:

    Those were military jets.
    The third building was professionally demolished with explosives.
    The pentagon was hit with a cruise missle.
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    Re: 9/11 Answers

    Postby georgiedenbro » 29 Sep 2014 09:28

    In case Sandrider should return to this thread, I have a few questions:

    1) I've seen some video footage from the place crashes alleging that the planes weren't commercial airliners. But the images were very grainy and I couldn't make out the fuselage and other elements that would 'prove' they were non-commercial. Have you seen video footage that is more clear, or other evidence that the planes were military stand-ins?

    2) I've heard claims that the passengers from the real commercial flights were deposited and detained at military bases during the events of 9-11. Is there any proof to this effect? Were any of those people ever found or released? Presumably locating even one of them would outright prove everything 9-11 Truthers say.

    3) What is the official explanation for Larry Silverstein letting slip that WTC 7 was "pulled"?
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