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Postby orald » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:42 pm

He still needs to crack some heads, and making no-tech and trying to develop artificial spice, Ixian navigation machines etc, those would've taken the teeth out of God Leto's mouth.
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Postby Freakzilla » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:44 pm

Tyrant wrote:poor malky ...i wish he had been in the book more... i never really understood why Leto had him killed .... so what he helped the Ixians ... why would the almighty Leto waste his time worrying about a useless plot against him .... it should amuse him


I think it amused Leto to keep Malky alive and his tollerance for him just ran out.

Plus, everyone knew about his plot what with the Fish Speaker-Bene Gesserit raid on Ix. He couldn't let that go unpunished, especially since the Fish Speakers knew about it.
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Postby Rakis » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:07 am

Freakzilla wrote:
Tyrant wrote:poor malky ...i wish he had been in the book more... i never really understood why Leto had him killed .... so what he helped the Ixians ... why would the almighty Leto waste his time worrying about a useless plot against him .... it should amuse him


I think it amused Leto to keep Malky alive and his tollerance for him just ran out.

Plus, everyone knew about his plot what with the Fish Speaker-Bene Gesserit raid on Ix. He couldn't let that go unpunished, especially since the Fish Speakers knew about it.


Yep, the death scene of Malky and dialogues before that were kind of a Godfather moment... 8)
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Postby Raveem » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:34 pm

Hang on, surely we're forgetting a previous lesson of this type mentioned in the books? Something about when one has developed in a certain way, one will die rather than become its opposite (a la the Tleilaxu Kwisatz Haderach and later their discovery of how to awake gholas).

Despite Leto liking Malky on a personal level, Malky, of course, had traits not desirable in humanity at large. Whilst never explicitly mentioned, Malky comes across as evil, twisted, unnatural, etc., despite his plus points on being amusing for Leto ("boon companion"). Maybe the Ixians thought: in Malky's years at court, the negative attributes would have been projected onto Leto daily, all the negative attributes which Leto could justly loathe in spite of being amused by something different. Then along comes Hwi and Leto is *that much more receptive to her* *than he might otherwise have been*.

That the plan turns out otherwise (or not) is beside the point: surely this must have been their justification.

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Postby Rakis » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:17 pm

I don't think it relates to the BT KH analogy, but i do think Malky was an experiment that resulted in Hwi being created.
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Postby Leto Atreides II » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:01 am

Tyrant wrote:poor malky ...i wish he had been in the book more... i never really understood why Leto had him killed .... so what he helped the Ixians ... why would the almighty Leto waste his time worrying about a useless plot against him .... it should amuse him
I think Leto pretty much figured out that Malky had designed the ultimate God-killer in Hwi Noree... he killed Malky as a punishment for killing God.

Of course I'm not saying he foresaw his wedding-day being ruined, merely that the trap of Hwi Noree was inescapable, regardless of whether or not it entailed his physical death.

By and large, he only looked forward enough to ensure the continuance of the Golden Path... if his death in the River Idaho ended the Golden Path, then he would have foreseen it.
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Re: Malky

Postby Ampoliros » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:26 pm

Perhaps he considered Malky to be a threat to Hwi, if the Ixians knew how well they had made her, and Malky surely would have been the first to pick up on this, they might have tried to destroy her and then use her against Leto, just like the Tleilaxu tried to bribe Paul with ghola resurrection.
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Re: Malky

Postby Leto Atreides II » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:24 pm

Ampoliros wrote:Perhaps he considered Malky to be a threat to Hwi, if the Ixians knew how well they had made her, and Malky surely would have been the first to pick up on this, they might have tried to destroy her and then use her against Leto, just like the Tleilaxu tried to bribe Paul with ghola resurrection.

Destroy her and use her? She was being used against him, and quite effectively so, from the moment they met. Witness his recklessness upon a threat to her person when the Tleilaxu bombed the embassy!

Ix was the gun, Malky the trigger, Hwi Noree the bullet, Leto the target.
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Re: Malky

Postby Ampoliros » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:39 am

I mean i think they meant her to destabilize Leto, but instead Hwi was much more dangerous to him. When the Ixians realized how much more effective their 'bullet' was they might have tried to use the same tactic as the Tleilaxu.
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