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Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 26 Feb 2018 11:13
by Serkanner
distrans wrote:I recall a line where leto mentions how much it cost him to build a no-room and that it must of bankrupted them to build the place where she was born and grew up


In Heretics a reference is made to the cost of the Null s̶h̶i̶p̶ globe build by the Harkonnen which must have bankruted them (almost), when Teg, Duncan and Lucilla hide in it. You are mixing things up.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 26 Feb 2018 13:32
by distrans
than makes sense,

and although they called that redoubt a no-globe i never got the feeling that it had been built as a ship

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 27 Feb 2018 07:37
by Freakzilla
It wasn't a ship.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 01 Mar 2018 11:14
by Freakzilla
For reference (BG Report):


Other than the Guild-Ix project, there is little of significance to report. Ix
is sending a new Ambassador to the Court of the
Lord Leto, one Hwi Noree, a niece of the Malky who once was reputed to be such a
boon companion of the God Emperor. The reason for the choice of replacement is
not known, although there is a small body of evidence that this Hwi Noree was
bred for a specific purpose, possibly as the Ixian representative at the Court.
We have reason to believe that Malky also was genetically designed with that
official context in mind.
We will continue to investigate.

~GEoD

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 01 Mar 2018 12:50
by georgiedenbro
The interesting point here only becomes clear as we consider that the BT infiltrated (or partnered with?) Ix. For the BG we would assume breeding for genetic 'design', but for the BT it might be outright manipulation or engineering. Assuming their suspicion about Malky was correct, I wonder what template or method they used to determine what kind of person would be the ideal Falstaff to go along with Leto's Hal. In some ways Malky feels to me like a version of Gurney but with the setting switched to "evil".

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 08 Mar 2018 11:18
by distrans
how well did malky comprehend letos golden path?

what i got out of malky was the he was simply holding a mirror up to the god emperor to make sure he could see himself correctly...

how many lines in the book describe malky before we get to meet him after leto has him exteradited?

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 09 Mar 2018 08:59
by Freakzilla
Hwi said that Malky knew Leto wouldn't have done what he did without a selfless reason, but she didn't elaborate. I don't think anyone really understood what the Golden Path meant except for the Atreides that Leto tested and Hwi.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 14 Mar 2018 22:19
by distrans
I think that if leto didn't appreciate what malky had to offer he would have never allowed an opposite to be born...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 15 Mar 2018 10:59
by georgiedenbro
distrans wrote:I think that if leto didn't appreciate what malky had to offer he would have never allowed an opposite to be born...


She was created in a no-chamber...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 16 Mar 2018 01:14
by distrans
and before her inception he noticed there was a space in time that was outside his ability to comprehend...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 16 Mar 2018 13:59
by georgiedenbro
distrans wrote:and before her inception he noticed there was a space in time that was outside his ability to comprehend...


Do you have a quote for that? I don't recall that exact passage.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 16 Mar 2018 16:51
by distrans
my quotes are a little suspect now...

comprehend is my word. I believe he said he notices when something disappears from his vision

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 16 Mar 2018 22:00
by Freakzilla
Leto raised a hand to silence Moneo. "Will you tell me, Malky? About Hwi?"
"Just a few tiny cells from my body," Malky said. "Then the carefully nurtured growth and
education-everything an exact opposite to your old friend, Malky. We did it all in the no-room
where you cannot see!"
"But I notice when something vanishes," Leto said.
"No-room?" Moneo asked, then as the import of Malky's words sank home. "You? You and Hwi . . ."
"That is the shape I saw in the shadows," Leto said.

~GEoD

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 17 Mar 2018 02:01
by distrans
this begs another question

wernt letos diaries being recorded in a no-room at this very time?

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 17 Mar 2018 07:44
by Freakzilla
distrans wrote:this begs another question

wernt letos diaries being recorded in a no-room at this very time?


Yes

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 19 Mar 2018 09:46
by Naib
Freakzilla wrote:
distrans wrote:this begs another question

wernt letos diaries being recorded in a no-room at this very time?


Yes


While the diaries were in the no-room, does it specifically say that Leto was as well?

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Mar 2018 07:26
by Freakzilla
Naib wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
distrans wrote:this begs another question

wernt letos diaries being recorded in a no-room at this very time?


Yes


While the diaries were in the no-room, does it specifically say that Leto was as well?


He never goes into the no-room during the events of GEoD.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Mar 2018 09:17
by georgiedenbro
The funny question to ask, then, is whether Leto had his diaries put in the no-room specifically so that he, himself, couldn't see what was in them once the thoughts were taken from his mind. Maybe he thought he might be tempted to edit or destroy them if he perceived what was contained within, and make it instead so that the pure, unadulterated thoughts were what got written down without any editorial process. The worm would then be sure to ave its say, might be a way of putting it.

But I guess it would also serve the purpose of perhaps obscuring the diaries should Leto suddenly die. Maybe the chances of that were remote, and while alive he, himself, would shield them from prescience, so I guess my feeling for the moment is that it was to protect the entries from himself.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Mar 2018 09:53
by Naib
Freakzilla wrote:
Naib wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
distrans wrote:this begs another question

wernt letos diaries being recorded in a no-room at this very time?


Yes


While the diaries were in the no-room, does it specifically say that Leto was as well?


He never goes into the no-room during the events of GEoD.


I didn't think so.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Mar 2018 10:09
by Naib
georgiedenbro wrote:The funny question to ask, then, is whether Leto had his diaries put in the no-room specifically so that he, himself, couldn't see what was in them once the thoughts were taken from his mind. Maybe he thought he might be tempted to edit or destroy them if he perceived what was contained within, and make it instead so that the pure, unadulterated thoughts were what got written down without any editorial process. The worm would then be sure to ave its say, might be a way of putting it.

But I guess it would also serve the purpose of perhaps obscuring the diaries should Leto suddenly die. Maybe the chances of that were remote, and while alive he, himself, would shield them from prescience, so I guess my feeling for the moment is that it was to protect the entries from himself.


Could it also be protection from the diaries being read too soon? By the time of the events of GEoD much of Leto's own life is regarded as myth and his diaries might have revealed too much too soon for the Golden Path to succeed.

Allowing the Stolen Journals to be, er, stolen was perhaps a way of keeping interest in Leto's history without revealing things that could alter the GP.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Mar 2018 19:22
by distrans
i don't think his journals were being printed out in a no-room at the time of god emperors writing
leto's exchange with malky would have been different and Moreno wouldnt have shown the surprise he does at that exchange

he came up with that angle years later as heritics was developed

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 23:27
by pcqypcqy
I always had the feeling that Makly was equally as designed/engineered as Hwi was for the mutual purposes. Freak's quote above is probably the basis for that.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 15 Jun 2018 21:17
by Freakzilla
pcqypcqy wrote:I always had the feeling that Makly was equally as designed/engineered as Hwi was for the mutual purposes. Freak's quote above is probably the basis for that.


Malky was not, the Ixian's made note of His fondness for Malky and engineered Hwi in his opposite image.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 18 Jun 2018 21:19
by pcqypcqy
Freakzilla wrote:
pcqypcqy wrote:I always had the feeling that Makly was equally as designed/engineered as Hwi was for the mutual purposes. Freak's quote above is probably the basis for that.


Malky was not, the Ixian's made note of His fondness for Malky and engineered Hwi in his opposite image.


I was thinking more your earlier quote when the BG noted it in there report:

Freakzilla wrote:For reference (BG Report):


Other than the Guild-Ix project, there is little of significance to report. Ix
is sending a new Ambassador to the Court of the
Lord Leto, one Hwi Noree, a niece of the Malky who once was reputed to be such a
boon companion of the God Emperor. The reason for the choice of replacement is
not known, although there is a small body of evidence that this Hwi Noree was
bred for a specific purpose, possibly as the Ixian representative at the Court.
We have reason to believe that Malky also was genetically designed with that
official context in mind.

We will continue to investigate.

~GEoD

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Jun 2018 09:17
by Freakzilla
I forgot about that one. I suppose he could have been and Hwi was an improvement on that design.