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    What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby shishi » 05 Sep 2010 18:50

    In Children of Dune, I remember the Typhoon Struggle being brought up,
    and in GEoD, I believe this was equated to Kralizec, later revealed to mean "cloud darkness at the end of the universe".

    What does the typhoon refer to? Is it a concept that comes from people on Arrakis, such that a massive amount of water, too much water introduced all of a sudden, is like a doomsday event?

    Is Typhoon Struggle/Kralizec really some certain event that is going to happen in the future, or is it just any possible doomsday event which must be avoided or overcome?
    By doomsday, I don't necessary mean forces of nature but humanity or life perishing, perhaps through their own actions.

    Is the goal of the Golden Path to see all these possible kralizec, and find the path that will avoid them all, or more importantly, if they can't be avoided, have humanity able to cope with them?
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby Freakzilla » 05 Sep 2010 20:08

    Fremen speech implies great concision, a precise sense of expression. It is
    immersed in the illusion of absolutes. Its assumptions are a fertile ground for
    absolutist religions. Furthermore, Fremen are fond of moralizing. They confront
    the terrifying instability of all things with institutionalized statements. They
    say: "We know there is no summa of all attainable knowledge; that is the
    preserve of God. But whatever men can learn, men can contain." Out of this
    knife-edged approach to the universe they carve a fantastic belief in signs and
    omens and in their own destiny. This is an origin of their Kralizec legend: the
    war at the end of the universe.

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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby SandRider » 05 Sep 2010 22:46

    once again, I'm gonna toss out the idea of having a "You Must Be This Tall to Start Threads" threshold ....
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby lotek » 06 Sep 2010 06:08

    shishi wrote:In Children of Dune, I remember the Typhoon Struggle being brought up,
    and in GEoD, I believe this was equated to Kralizec, later revealed to mean "cloud darkness at the end of the universe".

    What does the typhoon refer to? Is it a concept that comes from people on Arrakis, such that a massive amount of water, too much water introduced all of a sudden, is like a doomsday event?

    Is Typhoon Struggle/Kralizec really some certain event that is going to happen in the future, or is it just any possible doomsday event which must be avoided or overcome?
    By doomsday, I don't necessary mean forces of nature but humanity or life perishing, perhaps through their own actions.

    Is the goal of the Golden Path to see all these possible kralizec, and find the path that will avoid them all, or more importantly, if they can't be avoided, have humanity able to cope with them?


    that was... interesting...
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby Freakzilla » 06 Sep 2010 06:13

    shishi wrote:Is the goal of the Golden Path to see all these possible kralizec, and find the path that will avoid them all, or more importantly, if they can't be avoided, have humanity able to cope with them?


    No, the goal of the Golden Path was to expand humanity beyond the Old Empire seemingly infinitely so that no one threat could ever destroy them all.
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby merkin muffley » 06 Sep 2010 06:28

    Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines, eh Shishi?
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby lotek » 06 Sep 2010 07:37

    anyone aware of this?
    http://kralizec.wordpress.com/

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    Paul Atreides’s first action in Dune is an imitation that fails. As Reverend Mother Mohiam looks in on him, he pretends to be asleep. Looking back from the end, we may call what he attempts “concealment in a no-consciousness,” while in light of Plato’s Sophist, we may call it “concealment in nonbeing.” But Reverend Mother Mohiam, like Reverend Mother Anteac, is very good at what she does, and she detects Paul’s imitation or concealment in nonbeing.

    Had Paul sat up in bed when the door to his room first opened, Mohiam would have learned that he was awake. Had he succeeded in feigning sleep, she would have learned nothing accurate. Observing Paul’s failed attempt, she learned both that he was awake and that he was a sly little rascal.


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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby SandChigger » 07 Sep 2010 17:40

    shishi wrote:What does the typhoon refer to?

    A lot of pointless wind.

    You.

    Fuck off.
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby TheDukester » 08 Sep 2010 12:27

    Shishi.

    Shishi.

    Sorry, just felt like saying "shishi."

    Carry on.
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    Re: What was the Typhoon Struggle?

    Postby reverendmotherQ. » 05 Oct 2010 16:43

    OH tension tension tension. You guys make my day.
    None of this bible quoting shit to fit your own agenda, I agree. Read it - its right there in front of you kiddos. But you got to remind them of all the work Herbert put into the original - else they will never figure out the problem here.

    Oh, I must be acting as the fun police.
    Go at it boys!

    EDIT - To THE DUKESTER - I love your signature :dies of laughter:
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