loremaster wrote:I dont think that the Siona gene has (yet) been penetrated. I see your logic in the argument Freak, but i think if Teg really COULD see through the gene then both his reaction AND his actions would have been very different. It would have at least been mentioned. The siona gene is the PERMANENT limiting factor on oracular vision now. Prescients can see local currents (e.g. the navigator bought in to find idaho) but the prevalence of the gene means building up accurate pictures of the universe (a la Paul) is impossible now.
But OTOH the point to the scattering is an infinite universe, where anything could happen.... so that would logically suggest it CAN be penetrated..... but then this argument is circular in itself since it also suggests that ANOTHER Siona Gene MKII would arise, and so on ad infinitum.
And you could argue that no Prescient is ever safe since Paul could see navigators in the original (BUT I think Frank decided to backtrack on this after he decided prescience could be so much more interesting with conflicting visions)
Leto could see Guild Navigators. Paul couldn't.
I personally think that although they produce the same effect, the actual cause of prescient invisibilty in the siona gene and no-fields is entirely different (it has to be, one is organic). I always liked the explanation of "Latent" prescients. That was certainly the impression i got after Siona's desert trial, something like a "subconscious reverend mother.
She was sensitive to the golden path and its peril. and she felt the calls and the lessons of ancestors, but they could not penetrate her consciously, only a shadow to be carried into the world subconsciously. She also had atreides-amplified sensitivity to time - which came to fruition in miles etc....
But maybe the cause of invisibility in the no-chambers and no-ships is the prescient variable in the Ixian Machines? That would tie everything together nicely, wouldn't it?
The REAL question is.... was Miles predicted by the tyrant (logically, not presciently).... was he specifically bred for? Or did the tyrant know mutations would occur in Atreides but not care particularly what they would be?
I'm pretty sure he had a pretty good idea what was going to happen. After all, with centuries of BG breeding in his head he predicted Siona and bred for her, I'm sure he could figure out where that would lead in the long run. But he probably preferred not to know. So if anything, he had a guess, and we never knew whether he had one, or if he did, what it was. But I'd assume he had a good idea. He usually did on everything else.