houseofwilliams wrote:In answer to the threat posed to the HM, I don't necessarily think the threat to them was something that threatened all of humanity I just interpreted Paul and Leto II's concern about humanity, the "terrible purpose" and "noble purpose" as being the result of both seeing an extinction event at some point in the future. I can't see how it would be any other way, there had to be a serious threat to motivate Paul to terrible purpose and Leto to his sacrifice. And if what the HM are running from is not related to the GP or the KH's vision, then the story isn't exactly get wrapped up in a hypothetical Dune 7, it would be pretty much ongoing. would think that in Dune 7, Herbert would want to wrap things up by showing how the threat to the HM's and the old empire was one and the same, the one originally predicted by Paul and that Leto sought to prepare them for.
Speaking of which, where are the Dune 7 threads here? I got theories but I would like to put them in their proper place.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:So it was never his intention to wrap up the original threat - he hadn't even planned to tell anyone what that threat was, or even tell them what the Golden Path was! (FH was funny that way).
Freakzilla wrote:Paul didn't see the extinction of mankind, that's why he didn't choose the GP.
After a long silence, Paul said: "The end adjusts the path behind it. Just
once I failed to fight for my principles. Just once. I accepted the Mahdinate. I
did it for Chani, but it made me a bad leader."
Leto found he couldn't answer this. The memory of that decision was there
"I cannot lie to you any more than I could lie to myself," Paul said. "I
know this. Every man should have such an auditor. I will only ask this one
thing: is the Typhoon Struggle necessary?"
"It's that or humans will be extinguished."
Paul heard the truth in Leto's words, spoke in a low voice which
acknowledged the greater breadth of his son's vision. "I did not see that among
"I believe the Sisterhood suspects it," Leto said. "I cannot accept any
other explanation of my grandmother's decision."
Paul's terrible purpose was his jihad which was to be a "wild mingling of genes" according to RM Mohiam. I think of this as a temprorary/partial fix, humanity's "race consciousness" had sensed its own mortlity.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:I know he didn't see what Leto II saw, and that why he didn't go the GP route, but I'm almost 100% sure that in Dune Paul sees that if he doesn't unleash the Jihad every human being will be dead within the relatively near future. I'm really pretty sure about that.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:if we last really really long, our sun will eventually blow up.
houseofwilliams wrote:So remind me, what exactly did Leto II prevent happening to humanity through his rule?
And I got to say that this ongoing, never meant to be so, story that Herbert found himself in goes a long way to explaining how and why Brian and KJA have been making such a mess of things. If he in fact had no solid conclusion in mind, then they could have done whatever they wanted with the ending, which is clearly what they did! I could just never fathom how they had the balls to do such a thing, but it makes perfect sense to know that Herbert had no real intentions of wrapping it all up, just one more novel that would possibly tie up the loose ends left in Chapterhouse.
That being said, I think Dune 7 could have provided an opportunity to wrap up the whole thing and provide some answers/synthesis to the whole GP, Scattering, Leto's vision, etc.
SandChigger wrote:A Thing of Eternity wrote:if we last really really long, our sun will eventually blow up.
Um... no it won't.
Not unless it has help. Or our current understanding of stellar evolution and behavior is significantly off.
(It's not big enough to go nova. It will swell up and engulf much of the inner solar system, maybe even the Earth, in about five billion years. Stock up on marshmallows and wienies. )
That's Taraza's supposition and PoV. The BG were afraid of their shadows when it came to the possibility of creating another KH.
Prescients block prescients. Siona and her descendants need not have been "almost KHs" to block prescient vision.
(And the effectiveness of the the Siona Gene was questionable after Teg came along.)
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