orald wrote:Nothing, I don't get Baraka's comment either.
What IS wrong is comparing God Leto to someone bad, say, Hitler.
I agree with Orald :
Leto : Not pants
Hitler : Pants
There you go...
orald wrote:Serkanner wrote:There was nothing wrong about my comparison of Hitler with Leto. I have the quotes to back it up.
Lies! All lies!
And isn't that Paul who compares himself with Hitler anyway?
orald wrote:Oh, yes, and I took note of that comment because it had such merrit, of course.
Hey, don't forget Leto's made a 4th reich that endured for a thousand* years, burned books(and people), AND was dabbling in eugenics! OMG Leto was a nazi!
I also find direct parrallels between Leto's tower room and Hitler's Eagle's Nest(?), Leto's tunnels and underground chambers and Hitler's bunkers and how Leto survived numerous assassination attempts by his closest advisors(a past Duncan, with a bomb in his briefcase) much like Hitler did.
Clearly, Leto is based on Hitler- even their names suggest it- both have "L" and "E" in it.
*Well, three and a half thousand, but who counts?
orald wrote:Seems I have to uphold God Leto's reputation in this powindah infested forum, as no one else seems to do so.
she walks amongst us, amongst the memories, but she is not seen, she is safe from possession
But at the same time I have no good explanation for why one prescient cannot see another.
GodEmperorJason wrote:I think its telling that given all of the factions in the Old Empire, we are exposed in the books to relatively few factions of the much larger Scattering. It always gave me the impression that the HMs, NFDs and even the Enemy were only a very small part of it."Leto's voice came in wheezing gasps: "Let them scatter, Duncan. Let them run and hide anywhere they want in any universe they choose.""My gift," Leto said. "Nobody will find the descendants of Siona. The Oracle cannot see her."
"What?" They spoke in unison, leaning close to hear his fading voice.
"I give you a new kind of time without parallels," he said. "It will always diverge. There will be no concurrent points on its curves. I give you the Golden Path. That is my gift. Never again will you have the kinds of concurrence that once you had."
Freakzilla wrote:"There are people and things in our universe which I know only by their
effects," Edric said, his fish mouth held in a thin line. "I know they have been
here . . . there . . . somewhere. As water creatures stir up the currents in
their passage, so the prescient stir up Time. I have seen where your husband has
been; never have I seen him nor the people who truly share his aims and
loyalties. This is the concealment which an adept gives to those who are his."
Here's my take on prescient invisibility:
FH likes to say that the oracle creates the future but that's simplistic. The (powerfull) prescient sees all possible futures and chooses a course of action which will cause one particular vision to become reality. This, of itself, is why prescients can't see each other.
The oracle creates a sphere of influence around him when he chooses a vision, the size of which varies directly with the magnitude of their prescience. For example, Leto's might cover his multi-galactic empire, Paul's was a little smaller. A Guild Navigator's would have to be at least large enough to cover a Hieghliner. One oracle can not see into another oracles sphere of influence because they don't know which vision the other will choose to "create" their own reality.
This brings me to the Siona Gene, which is basically latent prescience with a sphere of influence that only covers the individual. They cannot consciously use the prescience but it is still there and it is enough to conceal them.
I hope that makes sense, it does in my head but it's difficult to put into words.
What really made me think of this idea was Bellonda's comment about foldspace possibly introducing us to alternate/parallel universes. Expanding and collapsing bubbles.
"I thought you deserved an explanation of the Mother Superior's design. It was aimed at the destruction of Rakis, you see. What she really wanted was the elimination of almost all of the worms."
"Great Gods below! Why?"
"They were an oracular force holding us in bondage. Those pearls of the Tyrant's awareness magnified that hold. He didn't predict events, he created them."
Duncan pointed toward the rear of the ship. "But what about..."
"That one? It's just one now. By the time it reaches sufficient numbers to be an influence once more, humankind will have gone its own way beyond him. We'll be too numerous by then, doing too many different things on our own. No single force will rule all of our futures completely, never again."