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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2011 14:25

    There's obviously more to it than "seeing the future creates the future", because prescients see multiple possible futures and they don't all happen.

    Seeing it causes the prescient to DO something that causes those events to come to pass or be avoided. We had this discussion not too long ago, basically the topic was "if a prescient had no way to influence the world/universe then their visions amount to nothing".

    Leto II saw lots of things that did not come to pass, I'm sure Paul did as well.

    The self fulfilling prophecy effect I'm sure is what FH meant when he said seeing the future creates the future. It locks the seer into certain actions, sometimes against their will, sometimes I'm sure without their knowledge at all.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby baudib » 04 Feb 2011 14:30

    A very limited one. The only example we get of someone actively using the Tarot is RM HGM, who gleans very little useful information from it.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby Freakzilla » 04 Feb 2011 15:39

    baudib wrote:A very limited one. The only example we get of someone actively using the Tarot is RM HGM, who gleans very little useful information from it.


    I think she was just playing with them, I don't think she took it seriously.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 16 Aug 2011 01:02

    Epic spammer gibberish, the force is strong with this one.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby Omphalos » 16 Aug 2011 02:40

    A Thing of Eternity wrote:Epic spammer gibberish, the force is strong with this one.


    Hmmm?
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 16 Aug 2011 13:58

    Omphalos wrote:
    A Thing of Eternity wrote:Epic spammer gibberish, the force is strong with this one.


    Hmmm?


    Well it's gone now, but it was epic.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby Omphalos » 16 Aug 2011 14:23

    There's a lot of these bastards popping up lately. Freak must have gotten the one you were referring to. By the time I logged on last night, there were three more, all of whom had posted.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby Kralizec » 21 Jul 2012 17:12

    baudib wrote:Is it fair to assume all of Leto's inner dialogue presented in GEoD is also recorded by the Ixian dictatel, thus available in his journals at Dar-es Balat?

    Apart from every other consideration, it's difficult to imagine that Leto II, the controller par excellence, would have allowed every stray thought to go into the journals, unedited. I don't think even writers who present themselves as writing a stream of consciousness actually do so; it's just a twentieth-century vanity, a pretense of total honesty that is really not honest at all. However, as for indications in the texts themselves, the Journals are never represented as having been written as a stream-of-consciousness, except in the final moments of bedlam, as Leto II is dying. Moreover, I think Siona would never have wasted her time on such reading; nor would Leto Ii have expected anyone to do so.
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    Re: Leto's Journals

    Postby Freakzilla » 22 Jul 2012 10:13

    He had to think in a particular mode for the dictatel to record.

    But I have a certain sympathy for the Ixians. They believe so strongly in their
    technology, their science, their machines. Because we believe (no matter the
    content) we understand each other, the Ixians and I. They make many devices for
    me and think they earn my gratitude thus. These very words you are reading were
    printed by an Ixian device, a dictatel it is called. If I cast my thoughts in a
    particular mode, the dictatel is activated. I merely think in this mode and the
    words are printed for me on ridulian crystal sheets only one molecule thick.

    Sometimes I order copies printed on material of lesser permanence. It was two of
    these latter types that were stolen from me by Siona.
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