SandChigger wrote:(There's an interesting side-question: how easy is it for a "spice-born" RM to Share OM with an RM created through one of the older, less effective drugs? This no doubt has bearing on the birth of the Honored Matres later.)
D Pope wrote:There are no other awareness spectrum drugs, whatever there was in Dune is gone by GEoD.
D Pope wrote:From a BG report on the imperium, there's something like, "Only through the most stringent controlls have we maintained the level of Reverend Mothers, we asked Leto for more spice and he said be thankfull for what you have. Message received, we sent a gracious thank you note."
That's about as direct as it gets. There's nothing that puts it directly but there are hints, acolites with secret symbols and such that indicate what they're doing with the spice shortage. Anyway, in Dune it's said that there are others but none of them work after Melange. I've proposed before that this would be the time those others would come to the fore- the only thing in GEoD is how strapped the BG are without spice. Not one hint about 'other than spice' RMs. Besides, in Dune, all references to other awareness spectrum drugs are tied to truthsayers, making things even muddier.
I can't find the other thread where this was discussed, it's not in "The Spice, i'd like to know." (Chig said I had a pure heart in that one, thanks mate!")
What are the lessons they'll feel in their bones?
"I'll handle this, Jessica," the old woman said. "Now, lad, do you know about the Truthsayer drug?"
"You take it to improve your ability to detect falsehood," he said. "My mother's told me."
"Have you ever seen truthtrance?"
He shook his head. "No."
"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Truthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory—in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past...but only feminine avenues." Her voice took on a note of sadness. "Yet, there's a place where no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot—into both feminine and masculine pasts."
Odrade's thoughts in Chapterhouse wrote:We don't like it that we're caught in someone else's currents, that we don't know what may be revealed at the river's next bend. We always prefer overflight even though any commanding position must remain part of other currents. Every flow contains unpredictable things.
When each had sampled the bouillabaisse, Bellonda put down her spoon and stared
hard at Odrade. "You're not going to suggest we 'love one another' or some such
"Thank you for bringing my food," Odrade said.
Sheeana swallowed and a wide grin came over her features. "It's delicious."
in Murbella's agony from Chapterhouse of Dune wrote:This is the moment when I learn.
She saw an oral syringe swing into position above her mouth. Bellonda's hand
"We carry our grail in our heads," Odrade had said. "Carry this grail gently if
it comes into your possession."
The syringe touched her lips. Murbella closed her eyes but felt fingers open
her mouth. Cold metal touched her teeth. Odrade's remembered voice was with
Avoid excesses. Overcorrect and you always have a fine mess on your hands, the
necessity to make larger and larger corrections. Oscillation. Fanatics are
marvelous creators of oscillation.
"Our grail. It has linearity because each Reverend Mother carries the same
determination. We will perpetuate this together."
Bitter liquid gushed into her mouth. Murbella swallowed convulsively. She felt
fire flow down her throat into her stomach. No pain except the burning. She
wondered if this could be the extent of it. Her stomach felt merely warm now.
SandChigger wrote:Water of Life couldn't have been used before Jessica because until then only the Fremen knew of it.
(Unless Jessica was ignorant of it because she was only an acolyte. But if there was a secret trade in WoL going on between the BG & Fremen, wouldn't you think the former would have known a lot more about the situation on Arrakis, especially after the Atreides rout?)
inhuien wrote:So is it just coincidental that after Jessica transmutes the WoL that the BG stop using their previous poison and moves on to mainlined Melange OD. Or is this yet another fucking fuck up.
The only other Agony I can recall from the books is Sheeana's or was it Murbella. I'll need to check this out.
SandChigger wrote:Freakzilla wrote:Also, in GEoD, Luseyal and Antioc have a vile of Spice Essence.
Aye. And a right nasty vile it were!
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