Freakzilla wrote:No revisions.
This chapter clearly indicates to me that Leto planned his own death.
I've just finished my third reading of GEoD and I agree.
SPOILER!
Especially his decision to change the location of his wedding in a later chapter.
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Freakzilla wrote:No revisions.
This chapter clearly indicates to me that Leto planned his own death.
leagued wrote:I disagree, but I don't have any well-laid out argument; I just don't think that Leto would countenance letting harm come to Hwi that way. Flimsy rationale? Sure but I'm sticking to it.
Freakzilla wrote:He obviously set up the peregrination so that they would all meet up while he was crossing the bridge.
Nekhrun wrote:leagued wrote:I disagree, but I don't have any well-laid out argument; I just don't think that Leto would countenance letting harm come to Hwi that way. Flimsy rationale? Sure but I'm sticking to it.
I can think of may two reasons. If he can't have her then no one can and having her at his side to the end made what he had to do bearable.
Also, it's possible that since he avoided some of the details surrounding his own demise that he wouldn't have seen her dying either.
lotek wrote:Leto II jumped from the frying pan into the river.
lotek wrote:lotek wrote:Leto II jumped from the frying pan into the river.
Can we change the title to "pLan his own death"?
Pease ?
Nekhrun wrote:I can think of may two reasons. If he can't have her then no one can and having her at his side to the end made what he had to do bearable.
Also, it's possible that since he avoided some of the details surrounding his own demise that he wouldn't have seen her dying either.
Deskepticon wrote:Nekhrun wrote:I can think of may two reasons. If he can't have her then no one can and having her at his side to the end made what he had to do bearable.
Thats just sadistic. Its the equivilent of a murder/suicide if you believe Leto actually planned for it to happen. A premeditated one at that. It doesnt explain his genuine anger as he watched her fall to her death. He should have felt elation. I dont buy it.
Deskepticon wrote:Also, it's possible that since he avoided some of the details surrounding his own demise that he wouldn't have seen her dying either.
Weak. If he planned to die at the bridge he would not have her sit on the cart with him as he crossed it. Leto knew he had to die near water. Tuono was not near water - the bridge was the only spot if you believe he planned to die on peregrination. Not buyin it.
Nekhrun wrote:You don't have to. Saying that he should've felt elation is quite a stretch. Even to say he would've been happy would be wrong. I'm only guessing at possible reasons to answer the question.
Also, it's possible that since he avoided some of the details surrounding his own demise that he wouldn't have seen her dying either. . .
. . . I'm not saying he planned to die there. Only that he avoided details surrounding his own death so long as they coincided with his Golden Path. Since he would've been surprised by the event itself, he wouldn't have seen Hwi there either.
Freakzilla wrote: I believe that Leto did not See his death, but he did know who the players would be. He obviously set up the peregrination so that they would all meet up while he was crossing the bridge.
Deskepticon wrote:"Planned" his death implies he had a conscious desire to fall from the bridge. Like Pauls visions of death I dont think Leto knew exactly what was going to happen on the peregrination. He only peeked ahead to the future to insure the GP endured. If he had died away from water the GP would falter. He likely saw this and had he not changed the wedding destination I venture Siona would have killed him away from water. He acted only on his desire to save humanity.
Technically though. . . Leto has always planned to die. Ever since the end of CoD - but you were referring to a specific plan.
Freakzilla wrote:I thought giving Nayla the lasgun and ordering her to obey Siona made it pretty obvious.