loremaster wrote:It IS small and weak.... but also contains some of the most symbolic and powerful things in the universe....... the bene gesserit, the sandworms and the spice, for three.
They could have fled in many directions, but chose to come back to the old empire because they thought what was there might help them fight back.
You havent addressed any of my points.
Tleilax Master B wrote:So let's settle on "a whole fucking lot" shall we?
loremaster wrote:You havent addressed any of my points.
I'm 100% with you on the idea that the scattering is "a whole fucking lot".
And i do agree that failure of the golden path at any one point in time ( say, between 4.30 and 6.30 on saturday night) is incredibly small. However when dealing with this "infinity" you have to bear in mind that we're talking about an "infinite" length of time also.
(admittedly we probably arent, the universe will almost certainly end someday - BUT time is as vast, vaster in my opinion, than the scattering).
My point is, humanity is NOT safe from all threats no matter what forever and ever. (or is that what you think? If yes, i`d like to know your reasons why).
The old empire, and links to it from the scattering (Still worshipping DUR etc) are all ties which could limit humanities growth, and need constant vigilance less the golden path fail.
a)Do you think the golden path means humanity is no longer at threat from anything, even in an infinite space of time, forever, until the end of the universe?
b)Fugitives tho the HM may be, they still felt the pull of the "Old Empire". Whether or not the HM chose this way or not does NOT invalidate my argument that humanity is STILL tied to certain aspects of the old empire. Worship of Leto for one. The temptation of spice (potentially, such as the HM) for another. Also, i`m fairly sure there were not spice and worms out in the scattering. Its certainly never mentioned there was. And its highly unlikely since BG in extremis and FS formed the HM. Using a spice subsitute. To me its likely the extremis was "running out of spice" due to lack of it in the scattering. Also - why was it so significant that they sent out sandtrout and worms when the BG were scattered in CH:D if it was already out there?
c) Sheanna had powerful links to many communities in the scattering, ESPECIALLY if she had taken the sandtrout skin. The religious fervour which spread out from her could cripple humanity. Maybe not exterminate it all in one go. BUT make it highly likely that the dwindled numbers would be eliminated sooner or later.
Apart from spice in the scattering, i dont disagree with anything you're saying. I just thing you're failing to understand the golden path was a road, not a destination. It's like phaedrus said on the infinity thread - You cant walk to infinity by starting at one, no matter how hard you try. So eventually a faster runner could catch you up.
loremaster wrote:Eventually a faster predator (religious fanatics, plague, new addictive drugs, Teg being able to see the no-ships etc) COULD catch up to the edges of the scattering and cripple it.
TMB wrote:Lastly, I think the whole reason the HM went into the Empire was to try to figure out the secrets of the BG, especially the ability to control internal chemistry, which would allow them to fight off biological warfare. They did this the only way their culture knows how--barge in and try to force it out of everyone.
AToE wrote:Unless someone for a destroy the universe button, I think the GP is safe.
loremaster wrote:I personally do not think the golden path is safe until humanity (probably guided by the BG) is matured to the point where it can recognise such destructive behaviour as hero-worship for itself.
Ergo, i do not think humanity is safe yet.
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