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    Postby Mr. Teg » 19 Jul 2008 10:05

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080718/sc_livescience/humanspeechtracedtotalkingfish;_ylt=AofQv7wDAw_y4GJVC9y18VlxieAA

    Human Speech Traced to Talking Fish LiveScience Staff

    From Don Knotts' portrayle of "Mr. Limpet" to the children's favorite "Nemo" and the tuna-pitching character in the "Sorry, Charlie" commercials, we all have seen fish that can talk. But that's just fiction, right?

    Well ...

    Researchers say real fish can communicate with sound, too. And they say (the researchers, that is) that your speech skills and, in fact, all sound production in vertebrates can be traced back to this ability in fish. (You got your ears from fish, too.)

    The new study was led by Andrew Bass (we did not make this up) of Cornell University.

    The scientists mapped developing brain cells in newly hatched midshipman fish larvae and compared them to those of other species. They found that the chirp of a bird, the bark of a dog and all the other sounds that come out of animals' mouths are the products of the neural circuitry likely laid down hundreds of millions of years ago with the hums and grunts of fish.

    "Fish have all the same parts of the brain that you do," Bass explained.

    His team traced the development of the connection from the midshipman fish's vocal muscles to a cluster of neurons located in a compartment between the back of its brain and the front of its spinal cord. The same part of the brain in more complex vertebrates, such as humans, has a similar function, indicating that it was highly selected for during the course of evolution.

    The finding is published in the July 18 issue of the journal Science.

    The fish that Bass studied are interesting in their own right.

    After building a nest for his potential partner, the male midshipman fish calls to nearby females by contracting his swim bladder, the air-filled sac fish use to maintain buoyancy. The sound is a hum, something like a long-winded foghorn. Female midshipman dig it, and they only approach a male's nest if he makes this call.

    During midsipman mating season, houseboat owners in San Francisco Bay have complained that their homes vibrate from the humming, which sound like a high-speed motor running underwater.

    By better understanding how these fish hear, the study offers new avenues to explore the causes of human deafness, the researchers say.
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    Postby SandChigger » 19 Jul 2008 11:46

    :shock:

    I'm all for the popularization of science...but that reads like it was written by and for idiots.

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    Postby orald » 19 Jul 2008 17:16

    Does it mean Brian might have a hope for a brain(or a brain tumor)? If not, I don't care.
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    Postby EsperandoAGodot » 09 Nov 2008 08:31

    Um...

    ...Well maybe Leto II reached back to his fishy other memories in the naming of his army?

    But probably not.
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    on Human evolution

    Postby Sole Man » 09 Nov 2008 13:14

    Its my theory that white people evolved from fish, and black people evolved from monkies. And Mexicans eveolved from beans.
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    Postby TheDukester » 09 Nov 2008 13:19

    It's my theory that you have a desperate need for attention.

    One day, you'll understand that trying to shock and trying to entertain are two different things. Until that day arrives, you need to be assured of one thing: you are not funny.
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    Re: on Human evolution

    Postby Tleszer » 09 Nov 2008 14:11

    Sole Man wrote:Its my theory that white people evolved from fish, and black people evolved from monkies. And Mexicans eveolved from beans.


    Maybe a fish told him to type this? They are quite cunning, those bastards.
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    Postby Sole Man » 09 Nov 2008 15:48

    TheDukester wrote:It's my theory that you have a desperate need for attention.

    One day, you'll understand that trying to shock and trying to entertain are two different things. Until that day arrives, you need to be assured of one thing: you are not funny.


    I'm not trying to shock you or anything, I'm just telling you a joke. So you don't think its funny, So what? That's not my problem.

    I thought it was funny and that's all I care about.

    Gotta go back to being bored now...
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    on Human evolution.

    Postby Sole Man » 09 Nov 2008 15:51

    Plus I'm trying to inform you of a scientific theory of mine.

    Not everything is supposedd to be funny.
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    Postby SandChigger » 09 Nov 2008 15:58

    Yesss, feesh are very wily. Eh, Thang? :wink:

    (Sloey, shut up.)
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    Postby TheDukester » 09 Nov 2008 17:32

    I'm worried that maybe he's some sort of comic genius ... and I'm just not getting it.

    Like that whole "the French love Jerry Lewis" thing, maybe. :wink:
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    Postby SandChigger » 09 Nov 2008 18:44

    Oh, that?

    That's all about the fact that he could also eat an apple through a picket fence.
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    Postby SandRider » 09 Nov 2008 19:35

    who ? Jerry Lewis or Sloey ? or orald ? I'm confused .... :?

    oh hell, I'm chatting again.
    ummm lessee Golden Path, Fish Speakers ...
    umm - ok - if Leto had died and Ghani would've had to taken up
    the Golden Path, would the Fish Speakers have been men ?
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    Postby Tleszer » 09 Nov 2008 21:00

    SandRider wrote:who ? Jerry Lewis or Sloey ? or orald ? I'm confused .... :?

    oh hell, I'm chatting again.
    ummm lessee Golden Path, Fish Speakers ...
    umm - ok - if Leto had died and Ghani would've had to taken up
    the Golden Path, would the Fish Speakers have been men ?


    Probably would've been sexy women. :D

    Actually, since they should have access to the same memories (though that would be debatable b/c Ghani would prob not have tried going through her male memories) she might have come to the same decision as Leto, at least about the "idea" of the army.

    Their "Golden Paths" probably would have been similar, at least in the beginning; if Leto truly was the stronger of the two then perhaps the Golden Path could have failed if should could not take it as far as Leto, just as Paul's vision of the future wasn't taken as far as Leto's.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 10 Nov 2008 14:09

    SandChigger wrote:Yesss, feesh are very wily. Eh, Thang? :wink:

    (Sloey, shut up.)


    Especially feesh that are secretly salamanders. :wink: and fish that are secretly black panthers :shock:
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    Postby Tleszer » 10 Nov 2008 17:16

    The old man caught the feesh but then a shark ate the feesh and the old man sailed back home without any feesh.
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    Postby SandChigger » 10 Nov 2008 19:42

    O Santiago! :cry:
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