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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby E. LeGuille » 12 Sep 2009 00:43

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E. LeGuille wrote:I originally thought that Thinking Machines were machines that had human brains.

:?: :?: :?:

Why in the world would anyone think that? It doesn't make any sense at all. If Frank Herbert had meant some kind of machine+human combination by the phrase "thinking machines" (NB. NEVER capitalized in the originals), he would have used the word CYBORG, which was coined in 1960.

I'm sorry, but that's yet another of those unthinking misreadings of the actual words in the books that are simply impossible, akin to that "the neutral island where the CET meets could be the Moon or an orbital platform" proposed (if not originated) by yet another mostly fluent yet originally non-native speaker of English, TAZ (=The Almighty Zeus), whom you probably know as Jonathan F on FB & KJASF.


Sorry, I did not clarify. I was 8 when I saw the David Lynch film, and the drawings if the introduction made me hear Thinking Machines, and I thought that meant Machines with human brains. I did not know about Robots with AI like that.

I'm only 23, so it was a while ago.
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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby SandChigger » 12 Sep 2009 06:58

E. LeGuille wrote:Sorry, I did not clarify. I was 8 when I saw the David Lynch film, and the drawings if the introduction made me hear Thinking Machines, and I thought that meant Machines with human brains. I did not know about Robots with AI like that.

Context is everything. :roll:

I've never seen the version with the background history illustrations, so I don't know what aspect of them made you "hear" capital letters. Are you perchance a synesthete? ;)

I'm only 23, so it was a while ago.

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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby E. LeGuille » 12 Sep 2009 13:03

SandChigger wrote:
E. LeGuille wrote:Sorry, I did not clarify. I was 8 when I saw the David Lynch film, and the drawings if the introduction made me hear Thinking Machines, and I thought that meant Machines with human brains. I did not know about Robots with AI like that.

Context is everything. :roll:

I've never seen the version with the background history illustrations, so I don't know what aspect of them made you "hear" capital letters. Are you perchance a synesthete? ;)


Heh, no. But I do taste something when I listen to frequencies below a certain range, so I may have some synesthesi-action going on.

Sorry, but what I am talking about is that the extended version has a narrative beginning, with pictures of the thinking machines. And they made me think that for some reason.

I'm only 23, so it was a while ago.

Nah, 15 years is but yesterday. I've got warts that are far older.


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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby SandChigger » 12 Sep 2009 15:11

E. LeGuille wrote:Sorry, but what I am talking about is that the extended version has a narrative beginning, with pictures of the thinking machines. And they made me think that for some reason.

While I haven't seen it myself, I have heard/read about the intro. Another of Lynch's many sins.

And wouldn't it be amusing if that's where Kevin & Brian got their "cymek" inspiration?! :lol:
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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby E. LeGuille » 12 Sep 2009 15:13

No, the Cymek thing comes from his L. Ron Hubbard, Church of Scientology meeting the week before that.
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Postby SandChigger » 12 Sep 2009 15:54

Actually, he stole the name from that Chinaware guy.

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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby SandRider » 13 Sep 2009 13:42

say Chig, did you see the flap I had in The Challenge thread ?

Photobucket deleting the "Wut's Dat ? I Raff, I Ruse ?" pic ?

they haven't yet deleted all the other engrish pics I put in there right after that.

"You want mirrion dorrar ? Fuck you, here bomb !" still makes me giggle.

anyway, do you think that kind of humor is racist, and do the little yellow ones themselves
think that kind of humor is racist ?
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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby DuneFishUK » 13 Sep 2009 16:21

SandRider wrote:say Chig, did you see the flap I had in The Challenge thread ?

Photobucket deleting the "Wut's Dat ? I Raff, I Ruse ?" pic ?

they haven't yet deleted all the other engrish pics I put in there right after that.

"You want mirrion dorrar ? Fuck you, here bomb !" still makes me giggle.

anyway, do you think that kind of humor is racist, and do the little yellow ones themselves
think that kind of humor is racist ?

Photobucket is like that - I've seen work-in-progress pics of a nude clay sculpt get removed due to terms violation.

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Postby SandChigger » 13 Sep 2009 21:35

SandRider wrote:anyway, do you think that kind of humor is racist, and do the little yellow ones themselves
think that kind of humor is racist ?

Well, I've been called a racist, so my opinion on what is or is not racist is no doubt suspect. ;)

And "the little yellow ones" think almost anything is racist if it's humorous and about them. When they're doing it about others, no so much. :roll:

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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby SandRider » 14 Sep 2009 12:08

I think we've had this discussion before,about how racist the Japanese are.

they still think they're numba one,right ?

then the chinese & then "white people" ...

and koreans are on the bottom, and africans aren't people.

that about sum it up ?
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SandRider wrote:I think we've had this discussion before,about how racist the Japanese are.

they still think they're numba one,right ?

then the chinese & then "white people" ...

and koreans are on the bottom, and africans aren't people.

that about sum it up ?


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Postby Seraphan » 14 Sep 2009 12:46

I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.
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Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.
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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 14 Sep 2009 13:13

Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.


Depends why you say it. :wink: If I say that a large % of native canadians are drunks, it's just true, not racist. If i meet a native person and assume they're a drunk, that's racist. I can criticize people all I want and not be a racist.

I do imagine you down south get a LOT of people playing the race card and assuming racism when there isn't any, but I would imagine that white people are also over reacting and assuming that people are assuming they're being racist more often than it's actually happening.
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Postby Seraphan » 14 Sep 2009 13:15

Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.

Aww, man! Does that mean i can't make my George Takei impersonation anymore? :(
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A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.


Depends why you say it. :wink: If I say that a large % of native canadians are drunks, it's just true, not racist. If i meet a native person and assume they're a drunk, that's racist. I can criticize people all I want and not be a racist.


I know that, man. :roll:

I do imagine you down south get a LOT of people playing the race card and assuming racism when there isn't any, but I would imagine that white people are also over reacting and assuming that people are assuming they're being racist more often than it's actually happening.


Come for a visit sometime. :wink:

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Re: A model of machines in Frank's B Jihad?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 14 Sep 2009 13:21

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A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.


Depends why you say it. :wink: If I say that a large % of native canadians are drunks, it's just true, not racist. If i meet a native person and assume they're a drunk, that's racist. I can criticize people all I want and not be a racist.


I know that, man. :roll:


I know you know that.

I do imagine you down south get a LOT of people playing the race card and assuming racism when there isn't any, but I would imagine that white people are also over reacting and assuming that people are assuming they're being racist more often than it's actually happening.


Come for a visit sometime. :wink:

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No way, you crazy people carry guns around! :wink:
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Postby Freakzilla » 14 Sep 2009 13:39

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.


Depends why you say it. :wink: If I say that a large % of native canadians are drunks, it's just true, not racist. If i meet a native person and assume they're a drunk, that's racist. I can criticize people all I want and not be a racist.


I know that, man. :roll:


I know you know that.

I do imagine you down south get a LOT of people playing the race card and assuming racism when there isn't any, but I would imagine that white people are also over reacting and assuming that people are assuming they're being racist more often than it's actually happening.


Come for a visit sometime. :wink:

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No way, you crazy people carry guns around! :wink:


You never know when you may have to impliment the Zombie Attack Plan. :wink:

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. :P
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 14 Sep 2009 13:44

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Seraphan wrote:I cant see how it's racist when it's true. They do pronounce L as an R.


As you quickly learn in The South, if you are of another race and you criticize someone, even if it is true you are a racist.


Depends why you say it. :wink: If I say that a large % of native canadians are drunks, it's just true, not racist. If i meet a native person and assume they're a drunk, that's racist. I can criticize people all I want and not be a racist.


I know that, man. :roll:


I know you know that.

I do imagine you down south get a LOT of people playing the race card and assuming racism when there isn't any, but I would imagine that white people are also over reacting and assuming that people are assuming they're being racist more often than it's actually happening.


Come for a visit sometime. :wink:

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No way, you crazy people carry guns around! :wink:


You never know when you may have to impliment the Zombie Attack Plan. :wink:

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. :P


If I ever have a gun it'll be a real gun. Something fully automatic with a grenade launcher attachment. :wink:
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 14 Sep 2009 14:06

:D thanks freak, that's a thing of beauty! Why don't you guys carry stuff like that around, or at least keep it at home?
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Postby Freakzilla » 14 Sep 2009 15:03

A Thing of Eternity wrote::D thanks freak, that's a thing of beauty! Why don't you guys carry stuff like that around, or at least keep it at home?


I don't think that would be entirely legal. :shock:

I think there's some kind of assault weapon ban.
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 14 Sep 2009 15:21

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote::D thanks freak, that's a thing of beauty! Why don't you guys carry stuff like that around, or at least keep it at home?

I don't think that would be entirely legal. :shock:
I think there's some kind of assault weapon ban.

That sounds like a violation of the second amendment to me (is that the right amendment?).
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Postby SandChigger » 14 Sep 2009 22:54

Seraphan wrote:Aww, man! Does that mean i can't make my George Takei impersonation anymore? :(

No, it just means you have to play up the gay angle more. ;)

Imagine yourself William "The Shat" Shatner... :lol:

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Postby Seraphan » 15 Sep 2009 06:07

SandChigger wrote:
Seraphan wrote:Aww, man! Does that mean i can't make my George Takei impersonation anymore? :(

No, it just means you have to play up the gay angle more. ;)

Imagine yourself William "The Shat" Shatner... :lol:

You mean ask people for money simply for talking to me. I think i can do that. :think:
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