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Do forgive my ignorance

Postby Not_Your_Friend » 04 Feb 2010 15:32

For what exactly, does "HLP" stand? I'm imagining it's the preeq analogue to OH?

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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 15:38

I can't remember exactly what it stands for, but no - it's the Herbert Legacy _____, and it is the people who essentially own the rights to FH's work. We count KJA as a member, but have no proof positive that he's actually been taken in as a partner (it's likely though).
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Postby Mandy » 04 Feb 2010 15:39

I thought it was Herbert Limited Partnership.. or something legal sounding like that.
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Postby Not_Your_Friend » 04 Feb 2010 15:40

Gotcha.

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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 15:41

Mandy wrote:I thought it was Herbert Limited Partnership.. or something legal sounding like that.


Yeah, that sounds more correct.
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 15:41

Not_Your_Friend wrote:Gotcha.


I had to ask when I first joined too.
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Postby Freakzilla » 04 Feb 2010 15:45

Herbert Limited Partnership

Now known as Herber Properties LLC

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Herbert_Properties_LLC
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Postby SandRider » 04 Feb 2010 15:47

Keith's not a legal partner - just the living Herbert Parasites & some random Merritts ...

I think the legal stuff is in the "For the Record" thread ...

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Postby Ampoliros » 04 Feb 2010 16:59

Isn't Bev the second wife and Trisha(??) the third bangitwhileyoucan wife?
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Postby Freakzilla » 04 Feb 2010 17:02

Members

Brian Herbert - Frank's son by Beverly Herbert, acts as managing general partner.
Penny Merritt - Frank's daughter by his first wife (Flora Parkinson)
Ron Merritt - Penny's husband.
David Merritt
Byron Merritt - Penny's son, administrator on the official forum.
Robert Merritt
Julie Herbert - Brian's daughter.
Kim Herbert - Brian's daughter.
Margaux Herbert - Brian's daughter.
Theresa Shackleford - Frank's third wife.
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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby DuneFishUK » 04 Feb 2010 17:32

I remember that wiki article - I cobbled it together from the Acknowledgements in Sandworms or something iirc. If anyone knows better, it might need a tinker.

I assume David and Robert are also sons of Penny?

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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby 13athroom » 04 Feb 2010 18:07

SandRider wrote:Keith's not a legal partner - just the living Herbert Parasites & some random Merritts ...


and with that, i bow out of this forum completely. it used to be a fun time hanging with some of you folks, but this douchebaggery has become far too much for someone like myself to tolerate.

SandRider, your fanboy (you hate being called that, dont you?) prattling on about someone elses family is the be ashamed of (the same goes for most of the rest of you too...). Its one thing to dissect someones bad writing, and even to make accusations of greedy capitalization, but your comments based on familial relations are blows below the belt.

Ive been around since arrakeen, and am saddened to go, but people like you strip away some of the joy someone like myself takes out of being part a high-brow sci-fi forum. this garbage is equal to all the GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD crap you read on other websites. If you could honestly do any better, why havent you?

I wish that i could just tell you to STFU and be done with it, but thats never gonna happen... so im just gonna stop coming here. Im sick of feeling your shame for you.

freak, please delete my account. id hate to log back in here someday and have to eat crow for coming back. thanks, and goodbye.

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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 18:26

Bye 13athroom.

The level of random (and frankly bizarre) hatred used to get under my skin too, but eventually I got used to it and just accepted that while I'm merely enraged, some people appear to have suffered enough emotional damage seeing a beloved work of art shat on that they have to cope by lashing out. It's pretty understandable considering the stinkyness of said shit.

Personally I leave the relatives out of it, but that's just my M.O., I don't expect it from everyone else.
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Postby trang » 04 Feb 2010 19:01

"Long Live the Fighters", "Dragon.....the other white meat."

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Postby chanilover » 04 Feb 2010 19:04

Bout time we had a decent hissy fit on here. It's been far too civilised for ages. :lol:
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 19:06

chanilover wrote:Bout time we had a decent hissy fit on here. It's been far too civilised for ages. :lol:


Too true :lol: Without GP around getting surly it's been a bit dull.
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Postby SandChigger » 04 Feb 2010 19:51

Let's not forget where we do drawl the lines. Because it's not open season on everyone.

Brian Herbert as the main heir should be the primary moving (well, doddering) target, but he wisely stays (or is kept) out of the public eye. Those "philosophical reservations" about modern technology and all that blah blah. But he is the one ultimately responsible for the McDune shit.

Kevin J. Anderson is the unofficial official spokesman for the HLP, and he's a hack and an ass, enough said? He's probably the one responsible for most of the bad ideas and writing in the McDune books. (His wife Rebecca exercises no control over him and as his primary proofreader and editor she also bears responsibility for the books. Their braintrust son attacked on Amazon, so that's all I need to include him as collateral damagee.)

The members of the HLP as a group deserve a full measure of blame for apparently letting Brian do and write whatever he (=KJA, in reality) wants in these so-called "Dune" books. We know from KJA's blahg posts that the HLP exercises ABSOLUTELY NO EDITORIAL CONTROL before the fact over what gets published as "extensions" to the literary legacy of Frank Herbert, the legacy they supposedly want to protect (why else the bulldog lawyers?) and promote. (Hell, BRIAN HERBERT doesn't even exercise final editorial control, if what KJA posts about being the one to actually send the manuscripts off to the publisher is true.)

As individuals, Byron Merritt is the yes-man admin of DumbNovels; for a grandson of Frank Herbert's, he seems to be pretty dim on some details of the Dune books. He toes the official line and stands behind the shit that's being added to Dune by KJA. Fuck 'im.

And Kim Herbert (Brian's daughter) is, I believe, the acting secretary of the HLP and a part-time admin on DN and co-admin(?) on the official Dune pages on MySpace and Facebook. She's seems to be a nice enough person who stays out of the fray. Other than being a member of the HLP and therefore as responsible as any other member for what they let happen as a group, she doesn't deserve any special attention or ire.

And that pretty much holds for the other members as well: as individuals they avoid direct involvement in the fight, so they're of no interest.

But make no mistake: for whatever reason, these people are sitting back and repeating the benefits of the rape of Dune. The details of their personal lives are of no concern, but they are by no means blameless in this thing.

(Btw, I've always figured that Brian's wife Janet is the other, eleventh member of the HLP.)
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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 04 Feb 2010 19:55

Fair nuff. :)
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Postby SandRider » 05 Feb 2010 01:15

13athroom wrote:
SandRider wrote:Keith's not a legal partner - just the living Herbert Parasites & some random Merritts ...


and with that, i bow out of this forum completely. it used to be a fun time hanging with some of you folks, but this douchebaggery has become far too much for someone like myself to tolerate.

SandRider, your fanboy (you hate being called that, dont you?) prattling on about someone elses family is the be ashamed of (the same goes for most of the rest of you too...). Its one thing to dissect someones bad writing, and even to make accusations of greedy capitalization, but your comments based on familial relations are blows below the belt.

Ive been around since arrakeen, and am saddened to go, but people like you strip away some of the joy someone like myself takes out of being part a high-brow sci-fi forum. this garbage is equal to all the GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD crap you read on other websites. If you could honestly do any better, why havent you?

I wish that i could just tell you to STFU and be done with it, but thats never gonna happen... so im just gonna stop coming here. Im sick of feeling your shame for you.

freak, please delete my account. id hate to log back in here someday and have to eat crow for coming back. thanks, and goodbye.


don't let the waterseal hit you in the ass on the way out ...


I'd wager chances are better than 87% you'll lurk around this thread, so I got a few things to say ...

and if you don't ever come, everybody else with the same kind of ideas you've developed can take a clue ...

Number One: the day I ever feel any "shame" for something I've posted on a fucking internet forum,
I'll put the shotgun barrel in my mouth. you can be sick of whatever you want to, if you've gotten
your panties up your crack over my comments, well, go fuck yourself.

Number Two: go fuck yourself.

Number Three: I'll say what I damn well please about anybody I damn well want to. Everyone in the
HLP are complicit in this whole mess, if they pull a check from the new books. They are pimps, and
Frank's name is now the whore.

Number Four: George Lucas plays in his own shit.

Number Five: the day some little punk-ass kid can take the high moral ground over me is the day
the shotgun goes in my mouth. go fuck yourself.

Number Six: go fuck yourself.
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Postby lotek » 05 Feb 2010 06:02

13athroom wrote:
SandRider wrote:Keith's not a legal partner - just the living Herbert Parasites & some random Merritts ...


and with that, i bow out of this forum completely. it used to be a fun time hanging with some of you folks, but this douchebaggery has become far too much for someone like myself to tolerate.

SandRider, your fanboy (you hate being called that, dont you?) prattling on about someone elses family is the be ashamed of (the same goes for most of the rest of you too...). Its one thing to dissect someones bad writing, and even to make accusations of greedy capitalization, but your comments based on familial relations are blows below the belt.

Ive been around since arrakeen, and am saddened to go, but people like you strip away some of the joy someone like myself takes out of being part a high-brow sci-fi forum. this garbage is equal to all the GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD crap you read on other websites. If you could honestly do any better, why havent you?

I wish that i could just tell you to STFU and be done with it, but thats never gonna happen... so im just gonna stop coming here. Im sick of feeling your shame for you.

freak, please delete my account. id hate to log back in here someday and have to eat crow for coming back. thanks, and goodbye.


Actually this is pretty tame and is really directed at the hack, who is the one that has been deservedly the main target of our comment.
This made me come up with a new nickname for the hack and bobo; Frankentwitstein and Igor(quite fitting considering the monster they have created from desecrating Frank's work/tomb.

If you could honestly do any better, why havent you?


Preeq argument that...

Remember the Spanish film makers that honestlu did better(so says anyone who's seen it)and what did the HLP do about it?

Did they come down and pat them on the head "Well done hombres, Frank would be proud and we welcome you"?

No they did a fuckin' Matt Groenig and send down the lawyers to erase all traces of what could actually show the world that everyting Victor and Igor did was absolute and utter shite...


If you come back here to read this, I'm sorry you would feel that way but this:
Im sick of feeling your shame for you.

is a bit too much for me, I don't feel any shame and I certainly don't need someone doing it for me, what are you Jesus or something?
Do you want to die for our sins?



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No??


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didn't think so :)


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I wish that i could just tell you to STFU and be done with it, but thats never gonna happen...

1) you just did so you could
2) you've done half the job here, so why not stick around and elaborate?

People here have always been open to discussion, but frontal assault and taking that moral stance is not going to work isn't it?


Anyway this is the interwebz none of this is real!
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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby Freakzilla » 05 Feb 2010 06:20

...the name is EYE-gor.

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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby Freakzilla » 05 Feb 2010 06:43

Let's not forget, I made this forum so people would have a place to not only discuss FH's Dune, but to vent their frustrations with Frankenhack and Igor without being sensored.

I'm dissapointed one of us would say, "If you think you could do better, why don't you?"

We may as well respod with, "If you don't like it, don't read it."

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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby lotek » 05 Feb 2010 06:50

Freakzilla wrote:...the name is EYE-gor.



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Re: Do forgive my ignorance

Postby chanilover » 05 Feb 2010 07:38

lotek wrote:
13athroom wrote:
Im sick of feeling your shame for you.

is a bit too much for me, I don't feel any shame and I certainly don't need someone doing it for me, what are you Jesus or something?
Do you want to die for our sins?



HAHAHA!!! Best line ever!

You're all acting as recruiting sergeants for a more polite, civilsed forum for Dune discussion - yes, you've guessed it, C-H TABRRR. Ole Vinegar Tits could end up with five posts a month at this rate!
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Postby nampigai » 05 Feb 2010 07:54

SandRider wrote:Number Three: I'll say what I damn well please about anybody I damn well want to. Everyone in the
HLP are complicit in this whole mess, if they pull a check from the new books. They are pimps, and
Frank's name is now the whore.


this is how I see it aswell. The guy driving the car during a bank robbery is as guilty as the others.

Ofcourse I can not say that any of the family is against KJA's raping the story, but if they are they are sure in hell biting their tongue. I guess the money is just too good to refuse, they could as well piss on Franks grave.
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