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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby mrpsbrk » 16 Apr 2010 15:34

A Thing of Eternity wrote:No you're right, the whole "the prescient creates the future" thing is definitely through picking the path he/she wants and taking steps to make it happen.


Yep, but FH's point IMHO seems to be that this poor fella might just happen to forget that he is the one doing the choosing -- in that way, this is a danger even us, normal people, who do predict the future only in the weak sense, are prone to. As in, for example, attaching ourselves to Leaders and Demigods.
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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby mrpsbrk » 16 Apr 2010 15:36

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:No you're right, the whole "the prescient creates the future" thing is definitely through picking the path he/she wants and taking steps to make it happen.


Agreed, I say no. He has to have major influence over the universe.


Unhappily, "major" might turn out to be very very difficult to define precisely...
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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby Superdog » 17 Apr 2010 10:16

So... that would make Tar a mass murderer? Kant would say no, she bears no responsibility, but my gut disagrees.

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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Apr 2010 14:44

Superdog wrote:So... that would make Tar a mass murderer? Kant would say no, she bears no responsibility, but my gut disagrees.


The Honored Matres were known to wipe out whole planets to kill one person.

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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby TheDukester » 17 Apr 2010 14:59

LOL! They could also have adopted "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" as their slogan. :)
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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Apr 2010 15:42

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.

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Re: I've never really understood the ending of Heretics

Postby Tleszer » 17 Apr 2010 17:20

Um... Real boats rock?
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