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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Nekhrun » 07 Jun 2010 21:53

Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:I use that line at work all of the time.


I've found that theory doesn't work as well with children.

I use it with them and explain that if I have to tell them what to do then they have given accountability over to me. They don't like that and know it's just easier if they do things the right way on their own than dealing with me. I'm sure it's easier with other people's kids though.
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Jun 2010 21:59

Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:I use that line at work all of the time.


I've found that theory doesn't work as well with children.

I use it with them and explain that if I have to tell them what to do then they have given accountability over to me. They don't like that and know it's just easier if they do things the right way on their own than dealing with me. I'm sure it's easier with other people's kids though.


I can't just tell my kids, "take a bath".

The orders go like this:

1. Get in the shower.
2. Use shampoo.
3. ...on your hair.
4. Use soap.
5. ...on your ass.
6. Get out.
7. Dry off.
8. Put pajamas on.

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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Nekhrun » 08 Jun 2010 08:08

Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:I use that line at work all of the time.


I've found that theory doesn't work as well with children.

I use it with them and explain that if I have to tell them what to do then they have given accountability over to me. They don't like that and know it's just easier if they do things the right way on their own than dealing with me. I'm sure it's easier with other people's kids though.


I can't just tell my kids, "take a bath".

The orders go like this:

1. Get in the shower.
2. Use shampoo.
3. ...on your hair.
4. Use soap.
5. ...on your ass.
6. Get out.
7. Dry off.
8. Put pajamas on.

:angry-banghead:

Post a laminated sign with those directions in the shower.
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Freakzilla » 08 Jun 2010 08:33

Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:I use that line at work all of the time.


I've found that theory doesn't work as well with children.

I use it with them and explain that if I have to tell them what to do then they have given accountability over to me. They don't like that and know it's just easier if they do things the right way on their own than dealing with me. I'm sure it's easier with other people's kids though.


I can't just tell my kids, "take a bath".

The orders go like this:

1. Get in the shower.
2. Use shampoo.
3. ...on your hair.
4. Use soap.
5. ...on your ass.
6. Get out.
7. Dry off.
8. Put pajamas on.

:angry-banghead:

Post a laminated sign with those directions in the shower.


That would work... if they could all read.
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby MrFlibble » 09 Jun 2010 08:57

I also like Leto II's conversation with Moneo about rhetorical despotism:
God Emperor of Dune wrote:"Religion always leads to rhetorical despotism," Leto said. "Before the Bene Gesserit, the Jesuits were the best at it."
"Jesuits, Lord?"
"Surely you've met them in your histories?"
"I'm not certain, Lord. When were they?"
"No matter. You learn enough about rhetorical despotism from a study of the Bene Gesserit. Of course, they do not begin by deluding themselves with it."
The Reverend Mothers are in for a bad time, Moneo told himself. He's going to preach at them. They detest that. This could cause serious trouble.
"What was their reaction?" Leto asked.
"I'm told they were disappointed but did not press the matter."
And Moneo thought: I'd best prepare them for more disappointment. And they'll have to be kept away from the delegations of Ix and Tleilaxu.
Moneo shook his head. This could lead to some very nasty plotting. The Duncan had better be warned.
"It leads to self-fulfilling prophecy and justifications for all manner of obscenities," Leto said.
"This... rhetorical despotism, Lord?"
"Yes! It shields evil behind walls of self-righteousness which are proof against all arguments against the evil."
Moneo kept a wary eye on Leto's body, noting the way the hands twisted, almost a random movement, the twitching of the great ribbed segments. What will I do if the Worm comes out of him here? Perspiration broke out on Moneo's forehead.
"It feeds on deliberately twisted meanings to discredit opposition," Leto said.
"All of that, Lord?"
"The Jesuits called that 'securing your power base'. It leads directly to hypocrisy which is always betrayed by the gap between actions and explanations. They never agree."
"I must study this more carefully, Lord."
"Ultimately, it rules by guilt because hypocrisy brings on the witch hunt and the demand for scapegoats."
"Shocking, Lord."
The cortege rounded a corner where the rock had been opened for a glimpse of the bridge in the distance.
"Moneo, are you paying close attention to me?"
"Yes, Lord. Indeed."
"I'm describing a tool of the religious power base."
"I recognize that, Lord."
"Then why are you so afraid?"
"Talk of religious power always makes me uneasy, Lord."
"Because you and the Fish Speakers wield it in my name?"
"Of course, Lord."
"Power bases are very dangerous because they attract people who are truly insane, people who seek power only for the sake of power. Do you understand?"
"Yes, Lord. That is why you so seldom grant petitions for appointments in your government."
"Excellent, Moneo!"
"Thank you, Lord."
"In the shadow of every religion lurks a Torquemada," Leto said. "You have never encountered that name. I know because I caused it to be expunged from all the records."
"Why was that, Lord?"
"He was an obscenity. He made living torches out of people who disagreed with him."
Moneo pitched his voice low. "Like the historians who angered you, Lord?"
"Do you question my actions, Moneo?"
"No, Lord!"
"Good. The historians died peacefully. Not a one felt the flames. Torquemada, however, delighted in commending to his god the agonized screams of his burning victims."
"How horrible, Lord."
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Kensai » 11 Jul 2010 12:35

Freakzilla wrote:"If you put away those who report accurately, you'll keep only those who
know what you want to hear," Jessica said, her voice sweet. "I can think of
nothing more poisonous than to rot in the stink of your own reflections."

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Was looking for that one during a McDune discussion but couldn't remember the exact wording/source ect. Maybe someone should forward it to Byron.
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby SandChigger » 11 Jul 2010 16:57

I Twitter it every once in a while at DuneNovels.

Makes no difference. ;)
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Re: Favorite quotes from the Dune books

Postby Freakzilla » 11 Jul 2010 20:34

It was my signature there for a while.
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