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Daniel and Marty

Postby Kensai » 26 Jun 2010 16:06

Sorry if a similar topic has allready been posted somewhere.

Ok, just who are Daniel and Mart seeing as they are not really a bunch lame robots and their "tachyon" net or whatever? Its pretty vague what Frank intended them to be in CHD.

From what I have read online and from my own speculation, I think Daniel and Marty are descendents of Tleilaxu Face Dancers sent out during the Scattering (I remember them being referd to as the "enamy with many faces"?) and have become almost godlike because of their capacity to assume the persona and memories of whoever they kill — and they have been doing this for millenia, capturing Mentats and Tleilaxu Masters and whatever else they could assimilate (possibly even having limited prescience?).

So what is their intrest in Duncan?

Is the net metaphoric?

I would really like to hear you guy's ideas on this.
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Re: Daniel and Marty

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Jun 2010 16:35

Marty and Daniel admit they are face dancers in CH:D...

Paired opposites define your longings and those longings imprison you.
-The Zensunni Whip

"You deliberately let them get away, Daniel!"
The old woman rubbed her hands down the stained front of her garden apron. It
was a summer morning around her, flowers blooming, birds calling from nearby
trees. There was a misty look to the sky, a yellow radiance near the horizon.
"Now, Marty, it was not deliberate," Daniel said. He took off his porkpie hat
and rubbed the bushy stubble of gray hair before replacing the hat. "He
surprised me. I knew he saw us but I didn't suspect he saw the net."
"And I had such a nice planet picked out for them," Marty said. "One of the
best. A real test of their abilities."
"No use moaning about it," Daniel said. "They're where we can't touch them now.
He was spread so thin, though, I expected to catch him easy."
"They had a Tleilaxu Master, too," Marty said. "I saw him when they went under
the net. I would have so liked to study another Master."
"Don't see why. Always whistling at us, always making it necessary to stomp
them down. I don't like treating Masters that way and you know it! If it
weren't for them . . ."
"They're not gods, Daniel."
"Neither are we."
"I still think you let them escape. You're so anxious to prune your roses!"
"What would you have said to the Master, anyway?" Daniel asked.
"I was going to joke when he asked who we were. They always ask that. I was
going to say: 'What did you expect, God Himself with a flowing beard?' "
Daniel chuckled. "That would've been funny. They have such a hard time
accepting that Face Dancers can be independent of them.
"I don't see why. It's a natural consequence. They gave us the power to absorb
the memories and experiences of other people. Gather enough of those and . . ."
"It's personas we take, Marty."
"Whatever. The Masters should've known we would gather enough of them one day
to make our own decisions about our own future."
"And theirs?"
"Oh, I'd have apologized to him after putting him in his place. You can do just
so much managing of others, isn't that right, Daniel?"
"When you get that look on your face, Marty, I go prune my roses." He went back
to a line of bushes with verdant leaves and black blooms as large as his head.
Marty called after him: "Gather up enough people and you get a big ball of
knowledge, Daniel! That's what I'd have told him. And those Bene Gesserit in
that ship! I'd have told them how many of them I have. Ever notice how
alienated they feel when we peek at them?"
Daniel bent to his black roses.
She stared after him, hands on her hips.
"Not to mention Mentats," he said. "There were two of them on that ship-both
gholas. You want to play with them?"
"The Masters always try to control them, too," she said.
"That Master is going to have trouble if he tries to mess with that big one,"
Daniel said, snipping off a ground shoot from the root stock of his roses. "My,
this is a pretty one."
"Mentats, too!" Marty called. "I'd have told them. Dime a dozen, they are."
"Dimes? I don't think they'd have understood that, Marty. The Reverend
Mothers, yes, but not that big Mentat. He didn't thin out that far back."
"You know what you let get away, Daniel?" she demanded, coming up beside him.
"That Master had a nullentropy tube in his chest. Full of ghola cells, too!"
"I saw it."
"That's why you let them get away!"
"Didn't let them." His pruning shears went snick-snick. "Gholas. He's welcome
to them."

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Re: Daniel and Marty

Postby lotek » 26 Jun 2010 16:52

from Freak's quote
Always whistling at us

Again, if M&D were prostitutes robots from the future past why on fucking earth would Masters whistle at them?

I know what they'll say:
-it's because of the T1000 morphing they think that
-it doesn't state they are Face Dancers(so they can be whatever...)

All this being utter bullshite of course...

It's obvious they thought that all Dune fans were as stupid as the usual Queefers that constitute Keith's fandom...

"they" being Queef and Bumfart of course :)
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Re: Daniel and Marty

Postby Superdog » 27 Jun 2010 14:37

I have always kinda wondered about the tachyon net. Presumably by absorbing Ixians, Reverend Mothers, Masters etc they would have the most knowledge of pretty much any one alive. Presumably they are the ones that hunt Reverend Mothers whenever they leave with sandtrout from Chapterhouse.

They must have hunter sqauds that kill anyone of interest and then pass the knowledge up the food chain to Marty and Daniel. This would give them technological prowess and mental abilities far beyond any one, like ever. Presumably this is where the tachyon net comes from.

What they want with Duncan I can't think of anything. They do mention they want to "give him a planet" or something. Collect him as a specimen? Or they want to just absorb all his memories?