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How Dune is perceived in Japan?

Postby Kensai » 16 Jul 2010 10:49

Anyone know how Dune is perceived in Japan? My Japanese pen friend says she has never heard of it or Frank Herbert which is funny because otherwise she is quite well read (she has read Arthur C Clarke and Robert A Heliner). Its funny because I heard Japan was one of the few places where the David Lynch movie was popular and well received.

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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandChigger » 16 Jul 2010 11:28

The movie evidently did well (I wasn't over here then) and used to get shown on TV every once in a while. (I rarely bother with Japanese TV these days; it's a wasteland. The first mini-series shows up every other year or so on the satellite channels, ) The books have been translated (even the McDune shit, up through the Houses), though the Japanese translator passed away a few years back.

I exchanged a few messages with a Japanese blogger I found in a web search once (his opinion was that the language in the translations was a bit stilted and odd), but I haven't really actively tried searching out fans over here. I'm sure they're around, but with all the "native" stuff available...

By the way, 砂丘 sakyû literally means "sand hill" or "sanddune". Dune is usually just rendered phonetically as デューン Dyûn or translated as 砂の惑星 Suna no Wakusei "Sand Planet" (or "Planet of Sand"). :)

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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandChigger » 16 Jul 2010 11:58

Posted a little about the Japanese translation of Dune itself back on Dune Novels:

http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/view ... 7892#37892


If you know enough Japanese, Bel Moulay's haiku in Japanese are hysterical:

http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/view ... 6227#66227

Bel Moulay wrote:I know Japanese

Um, no, no, no he doesn't. :laughing:

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Re: 砂丘

Postby lotek » 16 Jul 2010 13:58

Dune wa kanoshii
Dune ga kenka wa dame
Daijoubu mashou!




Translation:
Dune is exciting
Lets not fight about dune
lets give it a break!

--Brian aka Bel Moulay


huh?
First it is spelled "let's" and second if Dune is exciting that's probably why we're fighting to restore it to just that, and that break that should be given? We all know who should be giving it! (yeah we all know who's the receiver in the unholy brainstormings)
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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandRider » 16 Jul 2010 14:18

hey, easy on the moonspeak, pardner ....

please edit the topic title ...
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Re: 砂丘

Postby Kensai » 16 Jul 2010 14:19

SandChigger wrote:Posted a little about the Japanese translation of Dune itself back on Dune Novels:

http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/view ... 7892#37892


If you know enough Japanese, Bel Moulay's haiku in Japanese are hysterical:

http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/view ... 6227#66227

Bel Moulay wrote:I know Japanese

Um, no, no, no he doesn't. :laughing:


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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandChigger » 16 Jul 2010 19:59

SandRider wrote:hey, easy on the moonspeak, pardner ....

please edit the topic title ...

Wha da mattah, papa-san? You no leado za moonspee so goodo? I terru oh wha mean in my posto!


Hmm... I fear my Tokio Rose has been slumming a bit too much with Susie Wong. :?

I remembered that I had addressed Belle Moomoo's haiku here:

viewtopic.php?p=41166#p41166

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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandRider » 17 Jul 2010 04:22

@the OP :

no, seriously, edit the fucking topic title;
keep the moonspeak if you just have to,
but include the English translation ....
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Re: 砂丘

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Jul 2010 04:39

SandRider wrote:@the OP :

no, seriously, edit the fucking topic title;
keep the moonspeak if you just have to,
but include the English translation ....

:text-yeahthat:
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Re: 砂丘

Postby SandRider » 17 Jul 2010 04:52

what are you doing up so goddamn early ?
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Re: 砂丘

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Re: 砂丘

Postby Kensai » 17 Jul 2010 10:45

SandRider wrote:@the OP :

no, seriously, edit the fucking topic title;
keep the moonspeak if you just have to,
but include the English translation ....


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Re: 砂丘

Postby Serkanner » 17 Jul 2010 11:33

Kensai wrote:
SandRider wrote:@the OP :

no, seriously, edit the fucking topic title;
keep the moonspeak if you just have to,
but include the English translation ....


:lol:


People have been banned here for not using English.
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Re: I changed the title because Sandrider was bitching about it

Postby TheDukester » 17 Jul 2010 11:36

I changed the title because Sandrider was bitching about it

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Re: I changed the title because Sandrider was bitching about it

Postby SandRider » 17 Jul 2010 16:48

well, thank you for the half-hearted and sarcastic attempt to edit the topic title ...

now, of course, latecomers will have no idea what this thread was supposed to be about from the index ...

but then, there was no indication of the topic before ...

I have no problem with the chicken-tracks in the title, it can look very cool & hip & all,
but there must be an accompanying translation .... for one thing, we don't want a flood
of Babylon on this board and for two, with the on-coming tidal wave of moonspeak and
gundi spammers, I'm sure Omph doesn't want to have to wade thru foreign character sets
to determine if the post is legimate ...

also, I don't think I like you very much, yet .... you rub me the wrong way ...
try a little lower and to the left and not so fast ...
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Re: I changed the title because Sandrider was bitching about it

Postby Serkanner » 17 Jul 2010 17:00

SandRider wrote:also, I don't think I like you very much, yet .... you rub me the wrong way ...
try a little lower and to the left and not so fast ...


blunt ... direct ... honoust. This is what I would have liked to be able to say so I just share my agreement.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

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Re: How Dune is perceived in Japan?

Postby Freakzilla » 17 Jul 2010 17:30

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Re: How Dune is perceived in Japan?

Postby SandRider » 17 Jul 2010 22:55

thank you, Mister McElroy ....

now, about your cards ? your Union cards ?
may I see your cards, please ?
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Postby Kensai » 18 Jul 2010 06:01

SandRider wrote:well, thank you for the half-hearted and sarcastic attempt to edit the topic title ...

now, of course, latecomers will have no idea what this thread was supposed to be about from the index ...

but then, there was no indication of the topic before ...

I have no problem with the chicken-tracks in the title, it can look very cool & hip & all,
but there must be an accompanying translation .... for one thing, we don't want a flood
of Babylon on this board and for two, with the on-coming tidal wave of moonspeak and
gundi spammers, I'm sure Omph doesn't want to have to wade thru foreign character sets
to determine if the post is legimate ...

also, I don't think I like you very much, yet .... you rub me the wrong way ...
try a little lower and to the left and not so fast ...


Sorry sandrider didn't think you would take it so seriously. I was actually planning to change it when I logged on today.

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Serkanner, jumping on the bandwagon much? That’s a pretty broad statement seeing as you don’t really know me (well nobody does on an internet forum).
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Postby DuneFishUK » 18 Jul 2010 06:49

Kensai wrote:Serkanner, jumping on the bandwagon much? That’s a pretty broad statement seeing as you don’t really know me (well nobody does on an internet forum).

We know only what you show us :wink:

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Postby Serkanner » 18 Jul 2010 08:37

Kensai wrote:
Serkanner, jumping on the bandwagon much? That’s a pretty broad statement seeing as you don’t really know me (well nobody does on an internet forum).


Nope, not jumping the bandwagon at all. Previous posts of mine as responses to yours make very clear I have a certain dislike of how you behave on this forum, not a dislike of you in person because, indeed, I don't know you personally.

This topic is just the best example yet and it shows I'm not the only one.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

Sandrider: "Keith went to Bobo's for a weekend of drinking, watched some DVDs,
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Re: Re:

Postby Kensai » 18 Jul 2010 14:59

Serkanner wrote:
Kensai wrote:
Serkanner, jumping on the bandwagon much? That’s a pretty broad statement seeing as you don’t really know me (well nobody does on an internet forum).


Nope, not jumping the bandwagon at all. Previous posts of mine as responses to yours make very clear I have a certain dislike of how you behave on this forum, not a dislike of you in person because, indeed, I don't know you personally.

This topic is just the best example yet and it shows I'm not the only one.


Well I'm glad thats how you think because what I meant. I'm not going to make judgments about someone's personal life based on an internet forum nor am I going to fall out with anyone because of one stupid incident. I didn't even mean any malice is was just a really stupid joke. What other example are you refering to? If this is the best one yet? I wan't to know what you meant by that last part.

You know what I made a really juvinle silly joke. I'm sorry.

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Re: Re:

Postby Serkanner » 18 Jul 2010 15:21

Kensai wrote: I wan't to know what you meant by that last part.


If I have to explain that, it already is a waste of time. You keep doing what you do and I will just ignore you. Simplest solution.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

Sandrider: "Keith went to Bobo's for a weekend of drinking, watched some DVDs,
and wrote a Dune Novel."

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Re: Re:

Postby Kensai » 18 Jul 2010 15:28

Serkanner wrote:
Kensai wrote: I wan't to know what you meant by that last part.


If I have to explain that, it already is a waste of time. You keep doing what you do and I will just ignore you. Simplest solution.


Convenient for you I guess but works for me.

Back on topic...

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Not how I imagined Dune.

It apears Whipping Star Muchiutareru Hoshi and the Dosadi Experiment Dosadi Jikkensei was published in Japan:

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Re: How Dune is perceived in Japan?

Postby SandChigger » 18 Jul 2010 20:23

Those Dune covers look like they're fairly old. My first volume of Dune features a still from the Lynch movie (Paul with his hand in Mohiam's box).

The name of the company has obviously changed, too. The old copies show Hayakawa SF Bunko "Hayakawa SF Library (or Collection)"; mine says Hayakawa Shobô "Hayakawa Publishing".

I wonder if that Children cover series was inspired by the English edition with the connected cover illustrations? ;)

(The Children title translation is shit, too: "Dune: Children of the Sanddune". :roll: )


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