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    Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby HarryCanyon » 12 Nov 2010 06:15

    Who thinks Miyazaki's animated Sci-fi/fantasy epic masterpiece from Japan and the mangas from 1980 are inspired by Herbert's Dune? it came out at the same time as Lynch's monstrosity did in 1984 only earlier as in Japan it came out in March to become one of the highest grossing movies of the year while Dune came out Christmas of 1984, this is the film Lynch's $47 million dollar turkey of an in-name-only adaptation should have been.

    It's exciting, unique, spirtual and memorable as hell as i grew up with this movie since i saw it in the 80's as a kid under the US butchered cut from New World Pictures called "Warriors of the Wind" and loved it. I saw the uncut fansub video version from my high school's anime club when i was 16 and loved it, i borrowed it and dubbed it on tape, after years of having dreams for it to be on DVD the wait was over as it finally came out in 2004 in a fresh new dub with better voice acting, uncut and that sort of thing plus the Japanese language in subs version.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Nekhrun » 12 Nov 2010 08:22

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 08:28

    Are all your posts the same ?
    i mean ever noticed that ?
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 08:29

    oh and learn how to ask a question, I stopped reading at the first sentence...
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Serkanner » 12 Nov 2010 09:50

    lotek wrote:oh and learn how to ask a question, I stopped reading at the first sentence...


    I will from now on. It's either a closet troll or a dumbass. I hate both.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby HarryCanyon » 12 Nov 2010 09:59

    I'm no dumbass or troll, i'm just asking if anyone has seen this movie? any fan of Dune would enjoy this Japanese animated masterpiece. And also asking if it's the same movie as Dune, i mean there are numerous similarities to Herbert's novels including Nausicaa being a female Paul Artedis and the Omhm creatures being like the sandworms.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Serkanner » 12 Nov 2010 10:06

    HarryCanyon wrote:any fan of Dune would enjoy this Japanese animated masterpiece.


    No they don't.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby merkin muffley » 12 Nov 2010 10:28

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby lotek » 12 Nov 2010 11:56

    HarryCanyon wrote:I'm no dumbass or troll, i'm just asking if anyone has seen this movie? any fan of Dune would enjoy this Japanese animated masterpiece. And also asking if it's the same movie as Dune, i mean there are numerous similarities to Herbert's novels including Nausicaa being a female Paul Artedis and the Omhm creatures being like the sandworms.


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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Omphalos » 12 Nov 2010 15:11

    HarryCanyon wrote:I'm no dumbass or troll, i'm just asking if anyone has seen this movie? any fan of Dune would enjoy this Japanese animated masterpiece. And also asking if it's the same movie as Dune, i mean there are numerous similarities to Herbert's novels including Nausicaa being a female Paul Artedis and the Omhm creatures being like the sandworms.


    Then stop merely asking if anyone agrees with you, and start making a case for these comparisons. If you can't do that, then you are one or the other.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby SandRider » 12 Nov 2010 17:27

    them Jap cartoons are creepy, even the ones that don't eventually devolve into
    child-porn and things getting fucked by tentacles ...
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby SandChigger » 12 Nov 2010 21:38

    Mmm...fucker tentacles! :dance:

    HarryCanyon wrote:I'm no dumbass or troll, i'm just asking if anyone has seen this movie? any fan of Dune would enjoy this Japanese animated masterpiece. And also asking if it's the same movie as Dune, i mean there are numerous similarities to Herbert's novels including Nausicaa being a female Paul Artedis and the Omhm creatures being like the sandworms.

    I haven't seen the movie, even though I've really liked the things by Miyazaki that I have seen, but I have heard about it over the years.

    Sure, there are SURFACE similarities, but I'm a bit dubious as to how much scrutiny they'll stand up to...
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Robspierre » 13 Nov 2010 19:46

    Surface similarities are pretty much it. You do have some shared themes, but you can say that about many different works.

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 15 Nov 2010 01:04

    It's almost impossible to write ANYTHING Science Fiction without having major similarities to Dune, because the basic plot type of Dune is actually really cliche and over-done, it's pretty typical (talking about the first book only). It was the execution that made it great, and the originality of the details.

    Name ANY SF and we can probably make a case for it being a rip-off of Dune.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby HarryCanyon » 20 Nov 2010 18:44

    Not all anime is hentai (a.k.a. porn) of tentacle fucking and hot schoolgirls in uniforms like my dreamgirls in animation known as the sailor scouts.

    There are great ones like Akira, Ghost In the Shell, Grave of the Frieflies, Princess Mononoke, Ninja Scroll, My Neighbor Totoro, Nausicaa, Kiki's Delivery Service, Vampire Hunter D 1 & 2, Ponyo etc.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby lotek » 20 Nov 2010 19:01

    HarryCanyon wrote:Not all anime is hentai (a.k.a. porn) of tentacle fucking and hot schoolgirls in uniforms like my dreamgirls in animation known as the sailor scouts.

    There are great ones like Akira, Ghost In the Shell, Grave of the Frieflies, Princess Mononoke, Ninja Scroll, My Neighbor Totoro, Nausicaa, Kiki's Delivery Service, Vampire Hunter D 1 & 2, Ponyo etc.


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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Serkanner » 20 Nov 2010 19:28

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Abraxas » 21 Nov 2010 09:07

    I thought it was an ok film. The plot was developed better in the comic though.

    Some googling brings this up...
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    many fans compare Herbert's sand-worms to Nausicaa's Ohmu giant insects,
    both in terms of plot import and monstrous presence (Nausicaa was
    released the same year as Lynch's disastrous film). This was confirmed
    by Miyazaki, who had partly derived 'Ohmu' from 'Sando Waamu' (or 'Sando
    Uomu'), the Japanese name for Dune's sand-worms.

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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Nekhrun » 21 Nov 2010 09:23

    HarryCanyon wrote:Not all anime is hentai (a.k.a. porn) of tentacle fucking and hot schoolgirls in uniforms like my dreamgirls in animation known as the sailor scouts.

    There are great ones like Akira, Ghost In the Shell, Grave of the Frieflies, Princess Mononoke, Ninja Scroll, My Neighbor Totoro, Nausicaa, Kiki's Delivery Service, Vampire Hunter D 1 & 2, Ponyo etc.

    You must've never watched the outtakes at the end of the credits. The ones you named are the worst offenders of all.
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby SandChigger » 22 Nov 2010 00:44

    I suppose Kiki's Delivery Service is Majo no Takkyûbin? (Like, The Witch's UPS? :P ) I recognize most of the others...
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    Re: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Winds/Dune.

    Postby Lundse » 23 Jun 2011 07:37

    Nausicaä and Dune do have some similarities, but it makes more sense to look at Dune and The Jesusu Incident as inspiration together.

    From Dune:
    Giant worm-like lifeform, dangerous and uncontrollable - which turns out to be controllable, and necessary for a larger life cycle.
    A fantasy-feel to a old-school sci-fi story - swords-fighting alongside more moderne weaponry.
    Heir to the noblehouse is thrust into adventure, after father is killed by rival house.
    Ecological thematics.

    From The Jesus Incident.
    All the, dangerous and threatening, lifeforms are connected.
    An innocent, peace-loving messiah-like figure communicates with the key lifeform under its terms, which involve nerve-tendrils and speaking directly to ones mind - and this resolves the plot/brings peace.

    Lesser points of comparison:
    A previous technological "reset" of civilization.
    Windtraps/windmills.
    Ornithopter-like contraptions.
    A secret garden with plenty of potable water - a scarce ressource.

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    I am not saying this is a rip-off, or that these chunks were lifted out and then padded with other stuff. I am just saying Miyazaki was in all probability inspired by Herbert - I even think it is on record that he is a fan...
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