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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Serkanner » 24 Sep 2011 18:06

merkin muffley wrote:
Nekhrun wrote:
Moonleaf wrote:I will probably read Dune next week. Maybe that way I'll be better accepted here

That's one way to do it.


Yeah, I mean, would it be that difficult?


Oh ... COME ON!!! ... there is like a thousand million letters in such a thing we call book. Why not just take the fast lane, ask for some relevant words and call it Dune. Why bother with things like quality or research? It is not like something we haven't seen before since Bobo met TehKJA and the NuDune.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 25 Sep 2011 05:33

I bought the book yesterday. 23€, ouch.

As I said, even after I do read the first book I will need help from people who read all the books in order to enrich the game.

Now don't tell me that I should read them all afterwards...

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby inhuien » 25 Sep 2011 05:39

Pix or it didn't happen. :P
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 25 Sep 2011 06:48

Forgive my shaky hand

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Nekhrun » 25 Sep 2011 08:44

Great work.

Tip #1: The Atreides have a steady hand.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Streaksy » 26 Sep 2011 00:50

All that "read it!" stuff, then I summarise the entire narrative, and now you're gonna read it. :P Hope you didn't read the summary.

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 02:16

Don't worry about spoilers, I'm reading for research and not for fun.

I'll probably make the game one of these days with your information and refine the abilities after I finish the book. If I have free time, I prefer to spend it making the game than reading the book, so it gets second in priorities. It will be done before the game gets a final version!

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

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Moonleaf wrote:Don't worry about spoilers, I'm reading for research and not for fun.

I'll probably make the game one of these days with your information and refine the abilities after I finish the book. If I have free time, I prefer to spend it making the game than reading the book, so it gets second in priorities. It will be done before the game gets a final version!


You really aren't here to make friends are you? Why on earth would I help out somebody who is basically not interested in the book(s) ... which is THE reason why we are participating on this site. I don't give a fuck about your game!
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 05:48

I am more of a fantasy fan, though I definitely like sci-fi as well. I am interested in Dune, every friend I talked with about it was ecstatic and did nothing but prompt me to read it.

Still, it feels unconfortable being forced to read a book with a deadline, instead of taking my time to enjoy it whenever I feel like it. At the same time I need to keep notes while reading and try to brainstorm instead of paying attention to the book. I would enjoy the book a lot better if I got more help here and read it after I was finished with my game.

So if you continue not helping me, you force me to enjoy the book less, which makes you additionally negative towards me and helping me less, which forces my hand even more. A perfect loop

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 05:54

Nekhrun wrote:Tip #1: The Atreides have a steady hand.


I am definitely not an Atreides then :P Perhaps an Atreides servant, like Gurney

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Serkanner » 26 Sep 2011 06:32

Moonleaf wrote:I am more of a fantasy fan, though I definitely like sci-fi as well. I am interested in Dune, every friend I talked with about it was ecstatic and did nothing but prompt me to read it.

Still, it feels unconfortable being forced to read a book with a deadline, instead of taking my time to enjoy it whenever I feel like it. At the same time I need to keep notes while reading and try to brainstorm instead of paying attention to the book. I would enjoy the book a lot better if I got more help here and read it after I was finished with my game.

So if you continue not helping me, you force me to enjoy the book less, which makes you additionally negative towards me and helping me less, which forces my hand even more. A perfect loop


Yeah right ... now fuck off, you're boring.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 07:07

Feel free to ignore my posts or the whole thread, mate :| Obviously not everyone is interested, but someone else might want to give me a helping hand

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Serkanner » 26 Sep 2011 07:47

Moonleaf wrote:Feel free to ignore my posts or the whole thread, mate :| Obviously not everyone is interested, but someone else might want to give me a helping hand


That's another thing you need to learn. Most of us don't ignore idiots but we confront them.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 08:22

True enough, you're free to post messages here as well :) If they were helpful to achieve my goal they would be greatly appreciated

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Nekhrun » 26 Sep 2011 08:27

Moonleaf wrote:I'm reading for research and not for fun.

Tip #2: There's nothing gamers like more than not having fun. You're on the right track and this should really shine through in the finished product. Whenever I'm about to share something for thousands to see I make sure what's fun about it has been eliminated.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 08:41

I see that I was exaggerating. Let me phrase myself better:
"I will be reading for research first, fun second"

Yes, there is an immerse feeling of fun and fulfillment when you create something out of nothing and it needs to be fun for others in order for it to be successful. Likewise, there is lots of fun in reading amazing books (I love Discworld and Dresden Files, for example).

If I was reading the book for leisure it would be more enjoyable, don't you agree?

Still, the creation of a game (allow me to quote a phrase I read once) "is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration". I have a whole lot of work ahead of me, and research is but a small part.

I could skip research by making the game generic fantasy, where humans, dwarves, elves and orcs are in a valley gathering crystals. Or theme it after Avatar: the Movie and human companies gathering Unobtainium.

However, I didn't choose the Dune theme, the game's mechanics chose it. I see it in my mind as the perfect representation of the world of Dune, however little I know it.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

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Hack.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Serkanner » 26 Sep 2011 11:31

READ THE FUCKING BOOK IF YOU NEED ANSWERS!!!!! :angry-cussingblack:
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Sep 2011 12:50

After you read the book I'll be happy answer any questions you still have.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Sep 2011 14:02

(I'm guessing he hasn't yet noticed the chapter summaries?)

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Moonleaf » 26 Sep 2011 14:35

Freakzilla wrote:(I'm guessing he hasn't yet noticed the chapter summaries?)

That made me laugh really hard!

I haven't started the book yet, but it's on top of my reading list. Give me some days and I'll come with questions about the prequels and sequels :)

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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Sep 2011 14:45

Moonleaf wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:(I'm guessing he hasn't yet noticed the chapter summaries?)

That made me laugh really hard!

I haven't started the book yet, but it's on top of my reading list. Give me some days and I'll come with questions about the prequels and sequels :)


Forget about the prequels and sequels. They're shit.
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 26 Sep 2011 15:09

Freakzilla wrote:
Moonleaf wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:(I'm guessing he hasn't yet noticed the chapter summaries?)

That made me laugh really hard!

I haven't started the book yet, but it's on top of my reading list. Give me some days and I'll come with questions about the prequels and sequels :)


Forget about the prequels and sequels. They're shit.


Except for the sequels written by Frank Herbert of course. :)
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Re: Doing research on Dune, need help!

Postby merkin muffley » 26 Sep 2011 15:12

Moonleaf wrote:Give me some days and I'll come with questions about the prequels and sequels :)


:doh:

This is why video games SUCK.

Moonleaf wrote:I could skip research by making the game generic fantasy, where humans, dwarves, elves and orcs are in a valley gathering crystals.


That is exactly what you're doing. You've got a list of names, just switch them, as I'm sure you've done on every other game you've worked on. Your process, which doesn't involve any real interest in the material, guarantees that they're all going to be generic.

Moonleaf wrote:Still, the creation of a game (allow me to quote a phrase I read once) "is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration".


If you really believe that, then why are you so fucking lazy?
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