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Conventional Space Travel

Postby Michelangelo » 25 Nov 2011 16:42

Although the Guild had a monopoly on long distance space travel up till the time of the Scattering, are we ever told how much it dominates space travel within planetary systems?

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 16:48

Well, there were smugglers, House Frigates, lighters, etc. So I imagine Guild transport was just for interstellar travel.

But no, it's never really discussed.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 25 Nov 2011 17:00

Whatever in-system travel there was was indeed probably without the Guild, but I'm not sure that there would have been tons and tons of it going on.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 17:28

They did have a say in whether or not Arrakis had weather satellites so they either manufactured them or regulated them somehow.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Michelangelo » 25 Nov 2011 17:49

I actually assumed the Guild had a monopoly over all travel to certain space regions and Arrakis, being of great importance, was one of these. I don't see the Guild as the type to manufacture much, so it is more likely that they simply regulated them or were blackmailing the Fremen.

Now that I think about it, why didn't the guild crush the Fremen's hopes early on? If the planet was made green there would go their supply of spice.

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 25 Nov 2011 17:52

They may have thought it was futile, may have not understood what the Fremen were trying to do, and may not have understood the threat.

Spice is extremely poorly understood at the beginning of Dune, Paul himself is surprised when he figures out it has something to do with the worms... which to me was always a little silly, I'd think people would have researched the subject of spice more than just about any other subject in the universe... but hey, FH wasn't perfect. :wink:
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 18:42

A Thing of Eternity wrote:They may have thought it was futile, may have not understood what the Fremen were trying to do, and may not have understood the threat.

Spice is extremely poorly understood at the beginning of Dune, Paul himself is surprised when he figures out it has something to do with the worms... which to me was always a little silly, I'd think people would have researched the subject of spice more than just about any other subject in the universe... but hey, FH wasn't perfect. :wink:


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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 18:43

Michelangelo wrote:I actually assumed the Guild had a monopoly over all travel to certain space regions and Arrakis, being of great importance, was one of these. I don't see the Guild as the type to manufacture much, so it is more likely that they simply regulated them or were blackmailing the Fremen.

Now that I think about it, why didn't the guild crush the Fremen's hopes early on? If the planet was made green there would go their supply of spice.


The Guild is supposed to be neutral and they always choose the safest path through the future. Besides, if crushing the Fremen was easy the Harkonnens or Sardaukar would have done it.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 18:45

PLUS, the Guild was partly responsible for enforcing the Great Convention (Guild Peace).
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 25 Nov 2011 18:53

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A Thing of Eternity wrote:They may have thought it was futile, may have not understood what the Fremen were trying to do, and may not have understood the threat.

Spice is extremely poorly understood at the beginning of Dune, Paul himself is surprised when he figures out it has something to do with the worms... which to me was always a little silly, I'd think people would have researched the subject of spice more than just about any other subject in the universe... but hey, FH wasn't perfect. :wink:


I was just reading Dune at the park while the kids played. In the chapter in which Kynes dies, he mentions that the ruling class was always too busy to look up from grubbing for spice to explore the relationship.


Oh I remember it was explained, I just never thought it was a fully realized explanation in my opinion. FH could have done better than that I think, but obviously he was short on space too.

I'd love to know if copies exist of the drafts of Dune before he whittled it down to a shorter length for the publishers.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 19:17

Also, I don't think the Fremen wanted anyone to know.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Omphalos » 25 Nov 2011 20:50

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
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A Thing of Eternity wrote:They may have thought it was futile, may have not understood what the Fremen were trying to do, and may not have understood the threat.

Spice is extremely poorly understood at the beginning of Dune, Paul himself is surprised when he figures out it has something to do with the worms... which to me was always a little silly, I'd think people would have researched the subject of spice more than just about any other subject in the universe... but hey, FH wasn't perfect. :wink:


I was just reading Dune at the park while the kids played. In the chapter in which Kynes dies, he mentions that the ruling class was always too busy to look up from grubbing for spice to explore the relationship.


Oh I remember it was explained, I just never thought it was a fully realized explanation in my opinion. FH could have done better than that I think, but obviously he was short on space too.

I'd love to know if copies exist of the drafts of Dune before he whittled it down to a shorter length for the publishers.


There are many versions in the Fullerton library. My bro and I are working on a plan to go photograph them all properly.

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

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Omphalos wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
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A Thing of Eternity wrote:They may have thought it was futile, may have not understood what the Fremen were trying to do, and may not have understood the threat.

Spice is extremely poorly understood at the beginning of Dune, Paul himself is surprised when he figures out it has something to do with the worms... which to me was always a little silly, I'd think people would have researched the subject of spice more than just about any other subject in the universe... but hey, FH wasn't perfect. :wink:


I was just reading Dune at the park while the kids played. In the chapter in which Kynes dies, he mentions that the ruling class was always too busy to look up from grubbing for spice to explore the relationship.


Oh I remember it was explained, I just never thought it was a fully realized explanation in my opinion. FH could have done better than that I think, but obviously he was short on space too.

I'd love to know if copies exist of the drafts of Dune before he whittled it down to a shorter length for the publishers.


There are many versions in the Fullerton library. My bro and I are working on a plan to go photograph them all properly.



I thought that's what some of the chapters in Road to Dune were? Not that I think there couldn't be more.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Michelangelo » 25 Nov 2011 21:03

I live within driving distance to visit Fullerton myself. Does anyone know how one would be able to access FH's papers exactly? Would asking a librarian be sufficient?

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 21:18

Omph has been there a couple times, he'll be able to tell you.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Omphalos » 25 Nov 2011 23:20

If you are interested in going I can tellegret you started. There is a special archive in the library with a dedicated archivist. It's above the main floor of the library.

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby SandChigger » 25 Nov 2011 23:41

Omphalos wrote:I can tellegret you started.

Say WTF? :shock:

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Michelangelo » 25 Nov 2011 23:57

Ah okay. It's in the special collections. I recall while lurking a while back someone mentioned they tried to take as many photos as possible of the collection. Any links per chance?

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 25 Nov 2011 23:59

Michelangelo wrote:Ah okay. It's in the special collections. I recall while lurking a while back someone mentioned they tried to take as many photos as possible of the collection. Any links per chance?


Not here. :wink:
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Crysknife » 26 Nov 2011 00:42

Well I think the Fremen were in control the whole time. Their collective consciousness insured that the events that led to Paul would come about. And that meant the Guild never tried to take control. This is my thought as to what the "higher plan" was.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Nov 2011 00:43

Crysknife wrote:Well I think the Fremen were in control the whole time. Their collective consciousness insured that the events that led to Paul would come about. And that meant the Guild never tried to take control. This is my thought as to what the "higher plan" was.


That's going to freak the newbies out. :D

I'm going to look for evidence of this in my current reading.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Omphalos » 26 Nov 2011 04:47

SandChigger wrote:
Omphalos wrote:I can tellegret you started.

Say WTF? :shock:

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Yep. Not even I can figure out what I meant.

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Nov 2011 04:49

:in my best Syd Viscious voice:

tellegrets, I've had a few...

Then again, too few to mention.
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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Omphalos » 26 Nov 2011 04:50

Freakzilla wrote::in my best Syd Viscious voice:

tellegrets, I've had a few...

Then again, too few to mention.


Some kind of overly chatty bird??? :D

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Re: Conventional Space Travel

Postby Freakzilla » 26 Nov 2011 04:52

Guilty.
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