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Postby Mr. Teg » 18 May 2008 19:39

orald wrote:And I just went ahead and quoted the best pirate in thw world. After Maddox, of course(sorry, been watching those movies lately). :P

If you care to define the categories, anyone is part of any number of minorities.

Now more to the point, I think you guys have been pressuring Byron too much. How much say do you think he actually got about what Brian does anyway? Maybe he's legally bound not to talk about the HLP business, and maybe he's also reluctant to bash a relative.


Um, no.
He has avoided far more, which IF everything they claim were true, then there would be no need for the fifth amendment routine.

Now more to the point.
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Postby Spicelon » 18 May 2008 20:24

So exactly wtf is The Herbert Limited Partnership? I mean, I know what it is,
but what's its official legal description? I'm assuming it's a legal and binding
business arrangement. Would it or any of it's details be a matter of public
record?
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Postby SandChigger » 18 May 2008 22:53

Actually, as I assume it is some sort of legal person, there should be some information about it which is a matter of public record. In the state of Washington, I also assume. I did a little nosing around online last year but didn't turn up anything interesting. Anyway, the point is that Byron isn't the only possible source of information.

And while he may choose not to discuss the organization or its doings, that doesn't mean we can't.

In the meantime, this is kinda interesting, from a Time interview (Nov 10, 1999):

Brian Herbert: The Dune computer game is a spin-off of the 1984 Universal Pictures movie Dune. I am a managing general partner of the Herbert Limited Partnership, which holds the copyrights to Frank Herbert's works. We had nothing to do with the Dune computer games. We understand that it is very popular, but we do not think that it is close enough to Dune itself.

So Brian is a managing general partner. (Indefinite article "a": indicates possible existence of at least one more.)

The part I have underlined is especially rich, all things considered, no? :roll:
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Postby SandChigger » 18 May 2008 22:55

Oh and by the way: stop stealing my bandwidth or I'm gonna sue yer butt. :twisted:



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Postby HoosierDaddy » 18 May 2008 23:52

SandChigger wrote:
HoosierDaddy wrote:Most posters here are mature, intelligent people. If someone is being unfairly abused, we will police ourselves.


STOP FEEDING THE PIG

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There's something about the juxtapositioning of comment and imagery there....


WHO PHOTOSHOPPED MY PIG?? AND WHY CAN'T I STOP LAUGHING??

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Postby chanilover » 19 May 2008 02:59

Partnerships don't file the same financial and organisational information as corporations. The main reason a business is organised as a partnership is to keep the internal organisational and financial information private. Limited partnerships just mean that most of the partners limit their liability for the partnership's debts, unlike an ordinary partnership where the partners have unlimited personal liability for the debts of the firm. There are tax advantages as well, as profits are only taxed once on the partner's income, rather than the double taxation that happens with corporations with the profits being taxed to the corporation and also to the shareholders' dividends.

I'm not an expert in US law, but from what I understand the HLP could file a certificate of limited partnership in any state and would be recognised and be able to do business throughout the US. The HLP's filing doesn't necessarily need to be in Washington, although I suppose it would make sense to do so. Maybe there are tax advantages by making the filing in certain states.

As for what is happening in this thread, it's a shame it came to this, as I always liked Byron, but sending that PM to Sandchigger with the not-very-veiled threat of legal action is just over the top. It's an internet chatroom, if you don't like what's happening and being said, stop visiting. It's not like Sandchigger is camping outside Byron's house and daubing insulting graffiti on his door.

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Postby SandChigger » 19 May 2008 04:01

Actually, I've turned up a bit more info than I was able to before.

I now know, for example, that the original registration of the HLP in Washington, filled in June 1984, is now listed as inactive, although there is a State Department of Revenue database record for an account opened in January 1998.

There's no listing of members online, but according to Washington state law, a list of the general (=full) and limited (=junior) partners must be kept by the partnership's registered agent.

The specific rights of the limited members (one of which I assume is our friend here) are supposedly set forth in a partnership agreement, so there's no way of telling how things are set up or run inside the HLP unless that agreement is also a matter of public record. And that is that.

So it's entirely possible that Byron and the other limited members have no say in what the general members, particularly Brian, decide to do; no voting rights whatsoever. Other than that which is available to almost everyone:

The right to vote with your feet. ;)
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Postby orald » 19 May 2008 06:36

CL wrote:It's not like Sandchigger is camping outside Byron's house and daubing insulting graffiti on his door.

Now don't give him any more ideas. :o
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Postby Bijaz » 30 May 2008 06:46

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Postby Nekhrun » 30 May 2008 07:27

orald wrote:
CL wrote:It's not like Sandchigger is camping outside Byron's house and daubing insulting graffiti on his door.

Now don't give him any more ideas. :o

We need a smiley of KJA pulling a tick off of himself.

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Postby orald » 30 May 2008 08:11

Or pulling novels out of his ass...
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Postby Pardot Kynes » 30 May 2008 11:02

We need one of Herbert rolling out of his coffin, standing up, and yelling at Brian.
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Postby Omphalos » 30 May 2008 12:45

Pardot Kynes wrote:We need one of Herbert rolling out of his coffin, standing up, and yelling at Brian.


Then Brian bending his animated corpse over a rail......

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Postby SandChigger » 30 May 2008 18:46

And Kevin cozying up behind him.

(What do you call that again?)

That was kind of the original design I had in mind for a Pail of Dung cover....
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Postby Mandy » 30 May 2008 18:48

Every time I read the title of this thread I think.. The HLP: Many are SHERBETS. Just thought I'd get that off my chest :P

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Postby orald » 30 May 2008 18:58

Mandy wrote:Every time I read the title of this thread I think.. The HLP: Many are SHERBETS.

Orange sherbets? :P
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Postby Pardot Kynes » 30 May 2008 19:07

Mandy wrote:Every time I read the title of this thread I think.. The HLP: Many are SHERBETS. Just thought I'd get that off my chest :P


There are other things we'd like to see come off your chest :twisted:



Wait.. did I say that out loud?
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Postby orald » 30 May 2008 19:12

Hear hear! :D
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 30 May 2008 19:24

Mandy wrote:Every time I read the title of this thread I think.. The HLP: Many are SHERBETS. Just thought I'd get that off my chest :P

That's pretty much how my mind works too.
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Postby Mandy » 30 May 2008 20:01

Maybe in this case it'd be rainbow sherbet.

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Postby Pardot Kynes » 30 May 2008 20:04

Rocky road!
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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 30 May 2008 20:31

Mandy wrote:Maybe in this case it'd be rainbow sherbet.


Yes, that'd probably be a bit more apropriate. Except for me. I get orange, no rainbows here.
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Postby Nekhrun » 30 May 2008 20:32

Mandy wrote:Every time I read the title of this thread I think.. The HLP: Many are SHERBETS. Just thought I'd get that off my chest :P

I just looked at KJA's myspace page and for a split second thought that his Hellhole blog read: Smellhole.

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Postby SandChigger » 30 May 2008 20:36

I CAN'T WAIT for Stephen Youll to get his magical artistic fingers on that one! :twisted:
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Postby orald » 30 May 2008 20:39

You should try though. :wink:
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