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    Fremen Diet

    Postby Snowball » 21 Jan 2010 15:51

    Dunno if there's anything in the DE about this, I haven't even skimmed it yet. I'm guessing they're mostly vegan, since making food from animals takes several times more water than from plants, and their diets would obviously center around those plant-foods that require the least water.

    I doubt they'd pass up an easy hunt, though. After all, they're fine with killing humans for water. But what would they do with it? Would they eat it raw to preserve its water content, or maybe pickle it? Or would they just do what they do with humans, and steal the water?

    I think it would be interesting to try to eat like a Fremen for a while, other than just putting cinnamon in/on everything.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Freakzilla » 21 Jan 2010 16:01

    Paul stood beside Chani in the shadows of the inner cave. He could still
    taste the morsel she had fed him--bird flesh and grain bound with spice honey
    and encased in a leaf. In tasting it he had realized he never before had eaten
    such a concentration of spice essence and there had been a moment of fear. He
    knew what this essence could do to him--the spice change that pushed his mind
    into prescient awareness.


    There was the rabbit dish at the Dinner Party, too.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Snowball » 21 Jan 2010 16:17

    I see. Anything on whether they farmed animals or just hunted?

    And I don't think the dinner party is very representative of the eating habits of Fremen, as it was held and attended by only the richest of Arrakis, and many of them were from off-world.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Freakzilla » 21 Jan 2010 16:29

    Snowball wrote:I see. Anything on whether they farmed animals or just hunted?


    The concern on Arrakis was not with water, but with moisture. Pets were
    almost unknown, stock animals rare. Some smugglers employed the domesticated
    desert ass, the kulon, but the water price was high even when the beasts were
    fitted with modified stillsuits.


    And I don't think the dinner party is very representative of the eating habits of Fremen, as it was held and attended by only the richest of Arrakis, and many of them were from off-world.


    No, but the staff, especially the housekeeper, was Fremen.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby inhuien » 22 Jan 2010 06:17

    Snowball wrote: After all, they're fine with killing humans for water...

    There was only one Sietch where that was a common practice, Sietch Jacurutu.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Ziggy » 22 Jan 2010 10:47

    The Fremen (casually) killed and reclaimed water out of neccessity I'd say. I don't mean to imply they'd kill just anyone if feeling a little thirsty but their culture is superbly adapted to the harsh condisitons on Arrakis. So for example, when Paul and Jessica first encounter the Fremen in the basin, they were regarded at first as weak offworlders and if taken in, a resource drain within the tribe so killing them and taking their water would not be an act of cruelty, but a consequence of a people having survived in a desert world for generations. It is just as well that Stilgar was a wise leader and spared time to evaluate these two outsiders.

    Another voice called from the basin's rim to their left. "Make it quick,
    Stil. Get their water and let's be on our way. We've little enough time before
    dawn."


    The Fremen of Seitch Jacurutu were water stealers and in a sense they were hunters, killing Fremen from other tribes specifically to rob their bodies water. An important difference.

    But Stilgar's voice could be filled with many valuable things.
    "There were in olden times certain tribes which were known to be water
    hunters. They were called Iduali, which meant 'water insects,' because those
    people wouldn't hesitate to steal the water of another Fremen. If they caught
    you alone in the desert they would not even leave you the water of your flesh.
    There was this place where they lived: Sietch Jacurutu. That's where the other
    tribes banded and wiped out the Iduali. That was a long time ago, before Kynes
    even -- in my great-great-grandfather's days. And from that day to this, no
    Fremen has gone to Jacurutu. It is tabu."
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Ziggy » 22 Jan 2010 11:33

    Anything on whether they farmed animals or just hunted?

    I've now got this bizarre image of a cow in a stilsuit stuck in my head. Thanks for that. :?
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Freakzilla » 22 Jan 2010 11:36

    Ziggy wrote:
    Anything on whether they farmed animals or just hunted?

    I've now got this bizarre image of a cow in a stilsuit stuck in my head. Thanks for that. :?


    The hardest part about that is teaching the cow to breath in through it's mouth and out it's nose. :wink:
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby SandRider » 22 Jan 2010 19:44

    wonder if they had little stillsuits for their blue heelers ....
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Snowball » 23 Jan 2010 13:57

    They didn't have pets.

    Unless you count the sandworms...

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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby SandRider » 25 Jan 2010 13:48

    blue heelers ain't pets .... :naughty:
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 25 Jan 2010 18:38

    I don't have my PDF here, but in CoD last night I read one of the passages that starts every chapter, and it mentioned that the Fremen had accepted themselves as foraging and gathering animals. This seems to support a primarily vegitarian diet. I would guess that they also ate as much meat as they could easily hunt/trap, because meat only becomes so highly inefficient when you farm it or waste too much time hunting it, but other than that I'd doubt if they raised any animals for food at all, simply too wasteful, even without considering the water cost.
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    Re: Fremen Diet

    Postby Ziggy » 26 Jan 2010 10:00

    Good find! Kind of thing I would easily miss during a reading. It's from the epigraph to the chapter where Duncan goads Stilgar into killing him.

    Fremen were the first humans to develop a conscious/unconscious symbology
    through which to experience the movements and relationships of their planetary
    system. They were the first people anywhere to express climate in terms of a
    semi-mathematic language whose written symbols embody (and internalize) the
    external relationships. The language itself was part of the system it described.
    Its written form carried the shape of what it described. The intimate local
    knowledge of what was available to support life was implicit in this
    development. One can measure the extent of this language/system interaction by
    the fact that Fremen accepted themselves as foraging and browsing animals.

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