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Rather Disturbing question but...

Postby Sole Man » 11 Sep 2008 15:08

...What happens to the Fremen women when they get thier "Time of the month?"

I figured this question has been many times before, but not by me, so I asked.

Does anyone know? Is there any mention in the books? Do they have some kind of way to reduce bleeding to the bare minimum, or do they squat over buckets buckets and drip it all down into there, and then drink it?

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Postby A Thing of Eternity » 11 Sep 2008 15:15

I imagine they just bleed into the stillsuit and it takes care of the rest. :lol:
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Postby Omphalos » 11 Sep 2008 15:19

The fremen had biological differences that allowed them fast coagulation when cut. Maybe there was a biological difference with menstruation too. Or maybe the stillsuit just took care of it. Kinda adds a new dimension to stillsuit water, no?

In any event, Im sure KJA has it on his priorty list of disgusting things to address in Jessica of Dune.

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Postby Freakzilla » 11 Sep 2008 15:19

I imagine their menstruation is very light, but I'm sure they take care of it similarly to how we do now.

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Postby Simon » 11 Sep 2008 15:22

In the desert Fremen men don't cry and Fremen vagina's don't bleed. :shock:








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Postby guild navigator » 11 Sep 2008 15:29

There's an entry in the DE that says women have a third processing unit in their stillsuits for it.
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Postby Rakis » 11 Sep 2008 23:12

Omphalos wrote:The fremen had biological differences that allowed them fast coagulation when cut. Maybe there was a biological difference with menstruation too. Or maybe the stillsuit just took care of it. Kinda adds a new dimension to stillsuit water, no?

In any event, Im sure KJA has it on his priorty list of disgusting things to address in Jessica of Dune.


Why, don't you know it's the main reason they make stillsuits offworld nowadays?!
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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 13 Nov 2008 13:51

Not having read the new "books," I'm rather curious as to what this ridiculous offworld stillsuit stuff is all about.

And yeah, the DE mentions the bit about menstruation, but right here on Earth when womens' bodies are dehydrated or undergoing some other form of stress, menstruation slows, lightens, or stops altogether. I would imagine the Fremen probably developed this trait, like the blood coagulation.
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Postby SandChigger » 13 Nov 2008 14:30

(The latest heresy, Paul of Dune, opens with Paul and the family tromping through the desert on their way to build Duke Leto's shrine, wearing stillsuits made by off-world manufacturers. Silly, pointless, wouldn't happen; nothing to worry about, in other words. ;) )
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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 13 Nov 2008 16:10

But...why would people offworld make...ugh...head hurts.
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Postby SandChigger » 13 Nov 2008 20:21

Some shitty hack wrote: On their trek, Paul and his three companions wore new stillsuits covered by mottled cloaks to camouflage them in the desert. Though the garments looked well worn, they were actually finer than any Paul had used when he'd lived as a fugitive among the Fremen. Their makers claimed that these durable offworld imports were superior to the simpler versions that had traditionally been made in hidden sietches.

The manufacturers mean well, he thought. They do it to show their support for me, without realizing the implied criticism in their "improvements."

We kicked this one around in one of the PoD threads back in September, before you joined. Anything not manufactured in the sietches was inferior and the Fremen would never rely on them. They're off to build a shrine to a family member: why wouldn't they wear their usual stillsuits? It doesn't make sense on any level.
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Postby SandRider » 13 Nov 2008 20:28

maybe its a literary metaphor for KJA's improvements to Frank's Dune ....
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Postby SandChigger » 13 Nov 2008 20:36

What, a Fremen bint's menstrual flow?

Yeah, that sounds about right. ;)
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Postby TheDukester » 13 Nov 2008 20:38

SandChigger wrote:It doesn't make sense on any level.

Dreadful writing, too. It's like a travelogue written by an 13-year-old ESL student.

People actually pay money to read pages and pages of that, too. Quite honestly, it's just baffling.
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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 13 Nov 2008 21:49

I suppose there's no possibility he means the cloaks?

(I know that wouldn't make sense in context but it'd be less stupid...)
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Postby SandChigger » 14 Nov 2008 00:44

Someone (I forget who) suggested that, but like you point out, in context it doesn't make much sense. Like, how much more complex or improved can a cloak be? And their stillsuits are specifically called "new".

Nope, I'm afraid this is just more KJA bullshit. And the sad thing is, it's not in any way relevant to anything else. (They don't somehow get lost in the desert and have their lives threatened because they're wearing "improved" offworld suits, for example.) Unless somehow he intends it as another example of the growing laxity of the Fremen as they adjust to their new role as rulers and city dwellers?

Nah! :P
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SandChigger wrote:Someone (I forget who) suggested that, but like you point out, in context it doesn't make much sense. Like, how much more complex or improved can a cloak be? And their stillsuits are specifically called "new".

Nope, I'm afraid this is just more KJA bullshit. And the sad thing is, it's not in any way relevant to anything else. (They don't somehow get lost in the desert and have their lives threatened because they're wearing "improved" offworld suits, for example.) Unless somehow he intends it as another example of the growing laxity of the Fremen as they adjust to their new role as rulers and city dwellers?

Nah! :P


I know you're joking, but the Fremen wouldn't have become that lax just a year after defeating Shaddam. The Fremen are very much tradition-bound; it would've taken more than just Paul's ascendancy to the Imperial Throne to change their attitudes, especially where the desert is concerned.
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Tleszer wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Someone (I forget who) suggested that, but like you point out, in context it doesn't make much sense. Like, how much more complex or improved can a cloak be? And their stillsuits are specifically called "new".

Nope, I'm afraid this is just more KJA bullshit. And the sad thing is, it's not in any way relevant to anything else. (They don't somehow get lost in the desert and have their lives threatened because they're wearing "improved" offworld suits, for example.) Unless somehow he intends it as another example of the growing laxity of the Fremen as they adjust to their new role as rulers and city dwellers?

Nah! :P


I know you're joking, but the Fremen wouldn't have become that lax just a year after defeating Shaddam. The Fremen are very much tradition-bound; it would've taken more than just Paul's ascendancy to the Imperial Throne to change their attitudes, especially where the desert is concerned.


There were examples of that in FH's books but they didn't involve off-world stillsuits. Off-world people were wearing imitation stilsuits and the Fremen, by CoD, were makingthem without hoods.
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Postby Freakzilla » 14 Nov 2008 09:45

Baraka Bryan wrote:
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There were examples of that in FH's books but they didn't involve off-world stillsuits. Off-world people were wearing imitation stilsuits and the Fremen, by CoD, were makingthem without hoods.


which is of course, quite a few years after the beginning of Pile of Dung, after the Jihad, after exposure to the rest of the galaxy etc.. i don't see the water rituals being relaxed so soon.

another example that the big picture doesnt matter for KJA, the only truth is that which occurs in the current paragraph (or sentence)


Farok was bitching in DM that there was dust in his house, which meant moisture was getting out and about how the newest generation was less disciplined.

So I'd say the Fremen relaxation of moisture discipline was just starting in DM.
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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 14 Nov 2008 09:55

SandChigger wrote:Unless somehow he intends it as another example of the growing laxity of the Fremen as they adjust to their new role as rulers and city dwellers?

Nah! :P

Actually, from Paul's reflection in that quote, it seems as if he's doing it to acknowledge the offworlders' veneration, but since it also doesn't sound like anyone's looking, at the time, I don't see why he'd see the idea of someone seeing him wearing a shitty stillsuit was more important than not dying in the desert.
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Postby SandChigger » 14 Nov 2008 10:30

I guess when you become Emperor of the Known Universe product placement becomes an important consideration. ;)


It's just bullshit, but I'm sure Kevin has a perfect explanation for it. (yawn)
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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 14 Nov 2008 16:47

SandChigger wrote:I guess when you become Emperor of the Known Universe product placement becomes an important consideration. ;)


It's just bullshit, but I'm sure Kevin has a perfect explanation for it. (yawn)

I mean, the explanation is built in, but it's a bullshit explanation. Product placement would be important if it was a public appearance and not sandwalking. For the sake of making my heard hurt less, is Paul at least off to go build with a bunch of powerful offworld contractors, rather than natives, pilgrims, and Fremen?

How is he being paid to write and I'm not? The fact that I'm an undergrad shouldn't matter, considering...
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Postby Tleszer » 14 Nov 2008 17:33

EsperandoAGodot wrote:How is he being paid to write and I'm not? The fact that I'm an undergrad shouldn't matter, considering...


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Postby EsperandoAGodot » 14 Nov 2008 17:39

Tleszer wrote:KJA is a Pro. He gets paid to do anything and everything the man in the car wants.

The men that pick him up on the corner?
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Postby Tleszer » 14 Nov 2008 17:46

EsperandoAGodot wrote:
Tleszer wrote:KJA is a Pro. He gets paid to do anything and everything the man in the car wants.

The men that pick him up on the corner?


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