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Posted: 10 Nov 2008 18:42
by moreh_yeladim
EsperandoAGodot wrote:The argument against that is, of course, that the idea that Jesus made a man walk is poo-poo.

Anyway, am I misremembering something or do the Bene Tleilaxu not get along very well with the Jewish people?

Also, is it safe to assume that "the Unspeakable" is the Shoah?

Honestly I really would hope that we're not still commemorating the Shoah of 70 years ago 23,500 years into the future. But I unfortunately think we might.

And does anyone get along well with the Jews?

Posted: 10 Nov 2008 19:12
by SandChigger
Well, I just love orald to pieces, does that count?


(This is another topic what got short shrift over on Dumb Novels, right?)

Posted: 10 Nov 2008 22:02
by EsperandoAGodot
moreh_yeladim wrote:Honestly I really would hope that we're not still commemorating the Shoah of 70 years ago 23,500 years into the future. But I unfortunately think we might.

Well considering the prevalence of pogrom, it's likely that the Holocaust epitomizes a persistent fear of the Jewish people. I wouldn't be surprised if, 23,500 years into the future the Shoah has taken on legendary status and figures in their beliefs and cultural psyche like other stories of their people. Hitler probably looms the same way Pharaoh does over Passover.
moreh_yeladim wrote:And does anyone get along well with the Jews?

True, but since they're officially not supposed to actually exist in the future - they're a BG secret - any one group not liking them is significant. Of course, I could be misremembering something.
SandChigger wrote:(This is another topic what got short shrift over on Dumb Novels, right?)

Yes. :cry:

Posted: 10 Nov 2008 22:57
by SandRider
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Posted: 11 Nov 2008 11:44
by Freakzilla
:roll:

Posted: 11 Nov 2008 12:06
by SandRider
yeah, I had second thoughts & regrets about it, too...

I need a Keeper. or a leash ...

Posted: 11 Nov 2008 18:13
by Tleszer
SandRider, how about Don't Ride K J A's Worm?

Surely Byron wouldn't delete that name since there are spaces between K, J, & A. He wouldn't understand the subtleties in that name! :wink:

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Posted: 11 Nov 2008 18:23
by SandRider
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Posted: 11 Nov 2008 18:27
by Tleszer
Epic.

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 17:13
by EsperandoAGodot
Wait...so...if the Bene Tleilax actually never committed any crimes against the Jews...and I was misremembering something...then was the Boardadmin over at DuneNovels...spewing shit based entirely on my misremembering? He didn't...like...oh god...why is he boardadmin...FUCKING CHRIST.

::facepalm::

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 18:27
by Freakzilla
EsperandoAGodot wrote:Wait...so...if the Bene Tleilax actually never committed any crimes against the Jews...and I was misremembering something...then was the Boardadmin over at DuneNovels...spewing shit based entirely on my misremembering?


The Bene Tleilax probably didn't know they existed.

He didn't...like...oh god...why is he boardadmin...FUCKING CHRIST.

::facepalm::


Because he's FH's grandson.

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 19:17
by EsperandoAGodot
Freakzilla wrote:
EsperandoAGodot wrote:Wait...so...if the Bene Tleilax actually never committed any crimes against the Jews...and I was misremembering something...then was the Boardadmin over at DuneNovels...spewing shit based entirely on my misremembering?


The Bene Tleilax probably didn't know they existed.

He went about a page and a half back and forth with me about why the Bene Tleilax didn't like the Jews, and claimed that that was his interpretation of what Frank Herbert was trying to tell us about the relationship between the BT and the Jews...

...except he wasn't trying to tell us anything. I was wrong, and the boardadmin of the freaking official site accepted my wrongness as fact, and then made something up about FH?

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 19:31
by SandRider
AHA HAHAHAHAH AHAHA HAHAHAHH HA HA !!

you poor, poor child !

Welcome to the Jihad !
:twisted:



{edit}
by the way, has someone Over There told him are over here ?
(someone (Arnie/Simon) would have to - he couldn't figure it out himself)
is your old account banned yet ?

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 19:53
by EsperandoAGodot
Nope.

Then again, I'm content not to harass them over there.

Edit: Our correspondence
boardadmin wrote:
BobaMatt wrote:The Tleilaxu aren't fans of the Jews, right?


Nope.

Fascinating. Apparently that's not based on anything.
boardadmin wrote:
BobaMatt wrote:lol I was hoping for some illumination, there. I know they engaged in pogroms, and I always assumed it had to do with the fact that the Tleilaxu basically break every rule in Leviticus, but pogroming Jews because the Jews don't like them doesn't seem quite enough.

boardadmin wrote:
BobaMatt wrote:but pogroming Jews because the Jews don't like them doesn't seem quite enough.


I think it was definitely more than that (and I assume you probably do too). Think genetics ... :wink:

Really, now? Based on what? I was wrong. Blah blah blah...the conclusion.
boardadmin wrote:
BobaMatt wrote:I haven't gotten around to reading Dune 7 yet. Is that speculation, or is it from HoD and SoD?

So, since they didn't have samples, they decided to try to wipe out Jewish populations?


It's my interpretation of what Frank was trying to tell us during the later Dune novels. That's why the Tleilaxu dispised them so...keeping their genetic material unaltered or hidden from them was considered an abomination to the masters, IMO.

Really. Except that it's apparently not in the books.

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 20:33
by SandChigger
Probably Frank told him all about it, off the record. (Frank had a private face, too, after all.) Just like he explained the Terminator Jihad to Brian over breakfast table bowls of Wheaties.

Yeah, right. :roll:

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 20:56
by SandRider
I'm pretty sure it went like this:

Merritt: Hey, Granpa ! I was wonderi...

Frank: Shut up, Byron. I'm busy.

Posted: 14 Nov 2008 21:15
by SandChigger
:lol:

:?: :!:

Is the "Shut up, Byron" story post still online over there? Is that what you're referring to? ;)

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 01:00
by SandRider
I guess it must be, because it's been rolling around in my head every time
I take a peek Over There. I'd had the impression of Frank as a rather
gruff, somewhat bombastic, occasional asshole for a very long time. One
of the reasons I always liked him as a person, as a literary figure. He'd
walk into the room and assume he was the smartest man there - and was
almost always right.

After I came in close contact with Merritt, and his whining stop attacking
my family
mantra, I kept hearing Frank saying : Oh, shut up, Byron.

Hey Merritt : why don't you and Brian stop attacking your family ?
atleast lay off the dead ones that can't slap you silly anymore ....

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 09:33
by Freakzilla
I guess he could have assumed the BT didn't like the Jew because the BT were Sufi.

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 09:38
by SandChigger
Why? Do the Sufis dislike the Jews more than the Sunnis and Shiites? :?

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 09:39
by Freakzilla
SandChigger wrote:Why? Do the Sufis dislike the Jews more than the Sunnis and Shiites? :?


No, it just implies that they are Islamic, many of which don't like the Book People.

[edit]

I'm not trying to defend Byron, I'm just trying to imagine how he could have come up with this.

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 10:16
by SandRider
someone needs to defend him.
g-d knows he can't defend himself ....

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 11:42
by SandRider
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Well, hello Merritt. Here to defend yourself ?
No ? Just picking up hate-mail & snitch-notes ? Okay.
You have a productive day !

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 12:04
by TheDukester
It has to be PMs he's picking up here ... everything else is entirely visible. And God knows he doesn't have the sand to post anything.

Posted: 15 Nov 2008 14:53
by EsperandoAGodot
Freakzilla wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Why? Do the Sufis dislike the Jews more than the Sunnis and Shiites? :?


No, it just implies that they are Islamic, many of which don't like the Book People.

Muslims count as "book people."

Also, isn't a great deal of the universe adherent to some sort of Islamic offshoot religion at this point?