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    Destination: Void

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 06 Jan 2009 19:39

    Has anyone read the original version of this and the new(er) one? I know that FH went back and did a pretty extensive re-write of this story, I haven't been able to find a copy of the original version and am pretty curious about the changes that he made.
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    Re: Destination: Void

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 07 Jan 2009 13:56

    Baraka Bryan wrote:
    A Thing of Eternity wrote:Has anyone read the original version of this and the new(er) one? I know that FH went back and did a pretty extensive re-write of this story, I haven't been able to find a copy of the original version and am pretty curious about the changes that he made.


    i just bought a copy of this this past weekend. I'll check the publication date on it when i get home cuz it looked like a rather old copy.


    There will be an intro from him discussing some of the revisions if it's the revised copy.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 07 Jan 2009 18:31

    Mine is the Revised Berkley Edition, 1978 - and my mistake, there is no intro - he talks about the changes in the Epilogue at the end of the book, check there maybe.
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    Postby Lundse » 08 Jan 2009 01:25

    This is getting weird - I have a version with no epilogue, and no mentions at all of any other version (except the GALAXY serialization).

    And the last mentioned reprint year in my version is 1985!

    The copyright/first publication is 1966...

    Maybe it is a late reprint of the old version - but why not reprint the new one...?
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 08 Jan 2009 17:48

    BB - Mine is the first of those 2.

    Lundse, that is weird.
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    Postby martinburo » 10 Jan 2009 17:47

    I read both, and I didn't find the differences in the ideas how to create an artificial intelligence or the plot that noticeable. The main difference is that the older version doesn't have the quotes as chapter openings that we all know from Dune and Pandora. FH says (if I remember correctly) that he rewrote to take into account what had been happening with computers, but actually most of the technical description of the Ox and the white box relies on analogy with the nervous system rather than electronics. I don't know what happened in that field in those 22 years.
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 10 Jan 2009 18:57

    Thanks for that info. I guess I have to get an old version somewhere and see for myself.
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    Postby Lundse » 10 Jan 2009 21:50

    Well, mine does not have the quotes - and seems to be based on a rather old text (from the copyright-year). Must be a reprint of the old version...

    My cover is horrible BTW; some green monster in the foreground and evil robot faces in the background. I have no clue why...
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    Postby inhuien » 11 Jan 2009 07:00

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    Thats the version I have as well, it's such a crappy printing none of the pages line up and me bindings just so broke. Cool story.
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    Re: Destination: Void

    Postby SadisticCynic » 15 Apr 2010 06:39

    Been awhile since I read Destination: Void but for some reason this thought came to me about the Black Ox; as I recall it is the 'workhorse' for the consciousness principle they are trying to build. It occurs to me that Black Ox is probably supposed to imply Black Box, thus signifying that we really have no clue about the inner workings of consciousness.

    Unfortunately I can't remember if Frank specifically points this out i.e. I'm probably suffering from cryptomnesia here... :(

    Still cool though.
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    Re: Destination: Void

    Postby inhuien » 15 Apr 2010 08:52

    That seems a fair assumption, more so given these 2 quoted examples of common use.

    Wikipissy wrote:In computer programming and software engineering, black box testing is used to check that the output of a program is as expected, given certain inputs.[4] The term "black box" is used because the actual program being executed is not examined.

    In computing in general, a black box program is one where the user cannot see its inner workings (perhaps because it is a closed source program) or one which has no side effects and the function of which need not be examined, a routine suitable for re-use.
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